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Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by goodluckchuck »

rwoodley wrote: post #68

Well the fact is the NY Times story is probably accurate and the NY Post story is extremely suspect. Twitter made a journalistic decision not to spread trash, possibly from Russia, that could have a real impact on our election result. Tough call, but the right call. If twitter sees itself as having some sort of moderator role than it has to make these judgement calls. Other outlets didn't amplify the Hunter Biden lap…

I appreciate that it is a tough call, but being "the right call" ultimately depends on whether the merits and sourcing of the story. If it turns out that the story is true, and it didn't come from any foreign source, and stalling on the story has a real impact on our election (going other way), then I would hope that these sources would all agree that they made the wrong call... that their fear of failing to act has caused them to act when they shouldn't have.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by ZeteticElench »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #352
ZeteticElench wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" the NYPost has a narrative, with physical evidence, corrobrated by actual non-anonymous people alleging very bad things about a presidential candidate " Which is so obviously fake it isn't even funny. I'm getting very tired of the GOP's shameless tendency of creating controversies out of nothing. This is just another Benghazi or Hillary's Emails or Migrant Caravan.

is it fake or is it russian disinformation? I can't keep up with you types.

Aren't those synonyms?

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by munk-a »

efa wrote: post #282
thereare5lights wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That to me is an extremely damning view of the common person. Isn't it self evident by now that most people lack critical thinking skills?

Yes. And yet ever five seconds I'm bombarded by someone telling me to vote. I guess they don't care if people without critical thinking skills vote.

It's my opinion that getting everyone to vote is the best option - there is a whole big chunk of the electorate that's quite uninformed but any attempt to narrow down the pool of eligible voters seems quite likely to fall into authoritarianism to me.

We've got a lot of historical evidence about what happens if you let only people of certain skin colors, gender or wealth vote and all of those approaches were eventually rejected in favor of a universal voting system[1]. Democracy seems like our best bet for a fair and just government and I'm strongly in favor of having better representation of the actual beliefs of the citizenry - even if they're folks I disagree with.

1. Assuming you ignore American oddities like the electoral college, ignore tacitly socially accepted voter suppression and accept that minimum voting ages should be a thing (which I'm still pretty "meh" on personally but whatever).

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by calvinmorrison »

ZeteticElench wrote: post #362
calvinmorrison wrote: post #352

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is it fake or is it russian disinformation? I can't keep up with you types.

Aren't those synonyms?

user: ZeteticElench created: 2 days ago karma: 3

Is there a world without paid shills? Who do you work for? ShareBlue?

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by briandear »

ZeteticElench wrote: post #343
calvinmorrison wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A few months ago there was non-stop coverage of the president purportedly saying very mean things about soldiers. This was from an anonymous source. Even Bolton who is no fan of the president said that it didn't happen. It got 24/7 playtime by the media. Now on the other day the NYPost has a narrative, with physical evidence, corrobrated by actual non-anonymous people alleging very bad things about a presidential can…

" the NYPost has a narrative, with physical evidence, corrobrated by actual non-anonymous people alleging very bad things about a presidential candidate " Which is so obviously fake it isn't even funny. I'm getting very tired of the GOP's shameless tendency of creating controversies out of nothing. This is just another Benghazi or Hillary's Emails or Migrant Caravan.

Obviously fake? The Biden camp hasn’t disputed the authenticity of the materials.

How is it “obviously” fake? Especially since most of the media refuses to investigate it — even if to establish that it isn’t fake? The media had no problem running with the very obviously fake Steele Dossier that claimed Trump got a golden shower on a hotel bed Obama once slept in. There was zero corroboration or legitimacy for that, but that dossier was used as a basis to obtain FISA warrant and ultimately led to an impeachment.

It’s “obviously fake,” because it’s politically uncomfortable, not because it’s actually “obviously fake.”

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by pwinnski »

TigeriusKirk wrote: post #317
dragonwriter wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Separately I view Twitter as breaking section 230 free speech regulatory agreements in meddling with what they 'publish' Section 230 was overtly adopted so that platforms would make efforts to censor content that they found to be objectionable; there are no "free speech regulatory agreements" associated with it. It is the only surviving part of a law whose sole and entire purpose was internet censorship, the rest o…

When people say "violating section 230," rather than correcting them it's more instructive to understand what they're trying to communicate. Usually it seems to be they're really saying "this shows section 230 is a bad idea." If we could move past the reflexive "well actually" there's a real issue people feel needs to be addressed.

It does reveal that there's an issue that bothers people, but I'm not sure it needs to be addressed beyond explaining that Section 230--or something just like it--is what gives us the free and open internet we enjoy today.

Without it, there is likely no Hacker News, nor any other social media.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by rat87 »

tomcam wrote: post #169

Those of you who think locking the account was a good idea should remember you won’t always be in the majority.

Locking the account was the right thing to do

Also I don't know why you think people on the left think big companies are on their side

We know they're not. And that they unfairly censor liberal stories.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/sensitive-claims-bias...

But for once they seem to be trying to do the right thing, and avoid spreading propoganda

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by rat87 »

bodono wrote: post #215
repo001 wrote: post #126

Stoped reading after the author made an equivalent comparison between NYT and Brietbart...I mean, you're not fooling anyone with the "un-biased, unaffiliated voter just searching for the truth" shtick. It's 2020 buddy, we see what you're doing.

Thank goodness you didn't step out of your filter bubble. A close one!

I'll happily continue to ignore a racist propoganda outlet. I'll leave that to hate group reaserchers

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Post by pnw_hazor »

ummonk wrote: post #332
SpaceRaccoon wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should Twitter have blocked all the accounts sharing the Panama Papers?

In a hypothetical alternate world in which individuals / organizations were publishing the raw Panama Papers? Yes, I would think their accounts should get banned. Fortunately, as with the Trump tax returns, the journalists handling the Panama Papers did not engage in such unscrupulous behavior.

Pretty sure the NY Post did not post raw data dumps of the laptops. Though many people on the left were clamoring for them to dump all the data to enable the emails to be verified.

Also, many used the absence of raw data to cast doubt on the authenticity of the information released by the NY Post.

Re: Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account

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Post by weareallcowards »

gamblor956 wrote: post #333
weareallcowards wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that what I said? That the cost of entering the market of mass-scale social media companies is extremely high? I wholeheartedly disagree that the cost is "nothing, nada, zilch". The network effects of having everybody using a couple of sites is what makes the cost of switching high, not the technical triviality of creating a new website.

No, that's not at all what you said. The cost of entering the mass-scale social media market is basically zero, since you can do that in a day with minimal cost other than a domain name and a server (or VPS or AWS/Azure account or similar), and you can scale your costs as you grow, but your costs don't grow as fast as your customer base. A natural monopoly's costs start high , and just scales from there. It costs ten…

That isn't "mass-scale", because you don't have any users. Sorry, but I'm going to quote my original comment:

>The barrier to creating a new social network once network effects have locked in a few major players is enormous.

So...that is what I said, that the barrier to entering the market is enormous.

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