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Re: ‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study

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Post by inanutshellus » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 2:13 PM UTC

pvaldes wrote: post #58

cabraca wrote: post #34

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I know those diversity sessions... They claim everyone who is white or passing as white is racist. I had to "confess" that i'm racist and promise to do better or it would have consequences for my career. Sidenote: I volunteer at a refugee center and took in a syrian family. Literally hitler, i know. A colleague got fired because he wouldn't confess and left the session. So even if that Dean said he is a racist, he's…

> I had to "confess" that I'm racist and promise to do better or it would have consequences for my career. So, basically inquisitor wannabees and pseudoscience cultists. Your colleague dodged a bullet. The idea that claiming that you are racist makes you not racist is totally gaga, random, and based in magical thinking, not in science. It only helps to hide in plain sight the real racists making much easier to admit…

He signed the document to stay at the institution. I wouldn't call it "dodging a bullet" I'd call it "securing his own yoke".

Re: ‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study

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Post by alex_c » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 2:13 PM UTC

another-dave wrote: post #56

I think the main culprit exacerbating this is the main stream media. "Vox pops" have formed part of filling air-time or column inches for a long while, but this is largely replaced now by journalists looking at Twitter and either a) using that as a stand-in for 'this is what the public think' or b) making it the story itself. Social media is no longer just "second screen" below-the-line commenting on events, it's hel…

Sometimes I wish I had a way to block Twitter from my life completely. I don't even use it, but I wish for an AdBlock-like tool that would:

- block Twitter content in news articles

- block links to articles with Twitter content from ever being shown to me in the first place

Most news articles provide little value to my life anyway, but I don't think I've ever read an article referencing Twitter quotes that was worthwhile.

While I'm dreaming, if I had any way to filter all the news about what public figures say, and keep only the news about what they actually do...

Re: ‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study

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Post by pessimizer » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 2:14 PM UTC

pvaldes wrote: post #58

cabraca wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know those diversity sessions... They claim everyone who is white or passing as white is racist. I had to "confess" that i'm racist and promise to do better or it would have consequences for my career. Sidenote: I volunteer at a refugee center and took in a syrian family. Literally hitler, i know. A colleague got fired because he wouldn't confess and left the session. So even if that Dean said he is a racist, he's…

> I had to "confess" that I'm racist and promise to do better or it would have consequences for my career. So, basically inquisitor wannabees and pseudoscience cultists. Your colleague dodged a bullet. The idea that claiming that you are racist makes you not racist is totally gaga, random, and based in magical thinking, not in science. It only helps to hide in plain sight the real racists making much easier to admit…

If you go around asking who the "real racists" are, you'll never find any. Turns out self-reporting is dubious.

Re: ‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study

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Post by pessimizer » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 2:16 PM UTC

speeder wrote: post #54

cabraca wrote: post #34

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I know those diversity sessions... They claim everyone who is white or passing as white is racist. I had to "confess" that i'm racist and promise to do better or it would have consequences for my career. Sidenote: I volunteer at a refugee center and took in a syrian family. Literally hitler, i know. A colleague got fired because he wouldn't confess and left the session. So even if that Dean said he is a racist, he's…

This is basically a Chinese struggle session.

I didn't realize it was Chinese, that makes it much worse.

Re: ‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study

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Post by pessimizer » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 2:21 PM UTC

cabraca wrote: post #129

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #106

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> For example instead of "discriminate minority groups" they say "disadvantage minority groups" But to intentionally disadvantage a minority group is to discriminate against that minority group. Are you suggesting that intentionally disadvantaging a group is not discriminating against that group? Or are you suggesting that unintentionally disadvantaging a group is not only not discriminating against that group, but t…

> But to intentionally disadvantage a minority group is to discriminate against that minority group. I would argue that depends on the intent. Do i put them in a disadvantage because they are part of that group or because a large part of that group wouldn't fit the requirements i have. Lets say i'm looking for someone doing voiceover. Someone without an accent. That would probably put a lot of non-native english spea…

What if I want my company to feel like family, so I only hire people who look like they could be related to me? What if I don't think brown skin matches the decor of my offices, and I want to present a certain aesthetic to potential clients? What if I want to do business with people who think women shouldn't be seen in public unaccompanied by their brothers or husbands?

What if I'm not racist, but the rest of my employees are, and I want my team to be cohesive and productive?

Re: ‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study

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Post by idea_heroin » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 2:22 PM UTC

cabraca wrote: post #34

rayiner wrote: post #4

I like the More in Common Project. But it overlooks the disproportionate representation of the extremists in our institutions. This happened at my alma matter earlier this year: https://freebeacon.com/campus/northwestern-law-administrator... . They also voted to abandon entrance exams at my magnet high school: https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=4979 It’s not comforting to know that only a tiny minority of people a…

I know those diversity sessions... They claim everyone who is white or passing as white is racist. I had to "confess" that i'm racist and promise to do better or it would have consequences for my career. Sidenote: I volunteer at a refugee center and took in a syrian family. Literally hitler, i know. A colleague got fired because he wouldn't confess and left the session. So even if that Dean said he is a racist, he's…

All white people are racist. Y’all are demons. Here’s my paypal, now give me some money. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5keqoXCIrq0

Re: ‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study

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Post by seibelj » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 2:23 PM UTC

Miner49er wrote: post #138

cabraca wrote: post #34

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I know those diversity sessions... They claim everyone who is white or passing as white is racist. I had to "confess" that i'm racist and promise to do better or it would have consequences for my career. Sidenote: I volunteer at a refugee center and took in a syrian family. Literally hitler, i know. A colleague got fired because he wouldn't confess and left the session. So even if that Dean said he is a racist, he's…

Well that's the thing. These diversity training people do use a different definition of racism then what you are thinking of. The diversity training definition of racism doesn't simply mean prejudiced, it means a part of a system of power that benefits people considered "white" at the expense of others. By that definition, most white people are probably "racist". If you understand the context used when they call them…

Yes but the term "racism" is an extremely loaded term with a long history that is widely understood throughout American society. You can't just say "oh, we don't mean actually racist, we mean 'woke-racist'" and expect everyone to agree with this new definition and feel good about calling themselves woke-racist.

This stuff barely flies with hyper-progressive elites, and many of them are deeply uncomfortable with it. This is possibly the dumbest thing ever pushed by those who think they are doing good.

Re: ‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study

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Post by pessimizer » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 2:24 PM UTC

zozbot234 wrote: post #82

donohoe wrote: post #60

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"oversensitivity over race"? To be clear, this isn't a difference of culture we're talking about. We're talking about people who routinely get murdered and harassed by police, disenfranchised, paid less ins salary, and excluded from many professional roles by default.

> We're talking about people who routinely get murdered and harassed by police, disenfranchised, paid less ins salary, and excluded from many professional roles by default. You're of course right that the criminal justice system treats minorities very badly, and that many people are unfairly disenfranchised and excluded from many professional roles due to their past interactions with this problematic system. But that…

Why add the word "irredeemably?"

Re: ‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study

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Post by o_class_star » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 2:25 PM UTC

The cultures wars are stoked by the 0.01% because they want working people divided against each other.

If "blue state" workers think their red-state brethren are incorrigible racist assholes, and "red state" working people think the blue states are full of virtue-signaling effete hypocrites... then capital wins because, even though 75% of the American public likes socialist economic ideas (when stated plainly and without a "socialist" label) they are all fighting each other over unrelated stuff, like whether J.K. Rowling's latest misinformed comment means we should stop reading her.

Re: ‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study

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Post by valboa » Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 2:25 PM UTC

barrkel wrote: post #98

pornel wrote: post #79

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I've been in such trainings, and I've seen lots of people get offended at hearing "you benefit from racism" as if it meant "you're racist". Racists in positions of power may tilt the playing field in your favor whether you've asked for it or not. And it may not even be you personally, but people in your neighborhood, your social groups in general.

Jumping from generalizations about groups to specifics of individuals is inherently unjust - as is the inverse, generalizing about a group from a few individuals. Generalization from systematic group aggregation is useful for exposing systemic biases, but action should be specific to the circumstances of individuals independent of group membership or the risk of injustice is very high. Unsafe generalization is at the…

Identity politics and group thinking are the cancer of society. Everyone can be oppressed, everyone can be an opresor. Just give them a reason.