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‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study

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Are you asserting that the British military picks its own wars? Because that’s the quote you replied to.

I was replying to the assertion that "that is done by the “large majority”, the voters electing a government." The government picks the wars without any reference to the voters?

Whether true or not, my point about those who fight in real wars stands. Whereas in a so-called culture war, those who do the “fighting” are also the instigators.

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> It states that 12% of voters accounted for 50% of all social-media and Twitter users – and are six times as active on social media as are other sections of the population.

That's not a tiny minority: it's a pretty reasonable dispersal of social media use. 12% of the population accounting for 50% of anything is a more egalitarian distribution than we see with, say: wealth, healthcare use, or educational attainment.

Public discourse was dominated by a "tiny minority" when the only people with a wide-reaching mouthpiece were a few hundred journalists and a few hundred politicians.

I don't really disagree with the article's main claim - that the more extreme views are overrepresented on social media - but it's not a numbers thing.

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As a twenty-something who grew up in Texas but has spent my adult life learning and working in the UK - I really disagree with calling any large cultural ideas as "US imports". The perception from the UK is that the US is much more polarised than it actually is - and from my perception the UK is even more polarised, but just refuses to believe it. I think this is because minority populations are so much smaller in th…

If anyone thinks that racism at all levels isn't a problem I can strongly suggest reading about the Windrush scandal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windrush_scandal I'm in the middle of a reading a book about it at the moment and to say I am appalled by how these people were treated is an understatement.

How did “we lost the paperwork” turn into “well you look foreign so leave your country”?

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I wasn't able to find the details about this course the faculty participated in but I wouldn't read too much into it. For some of these you must describe yourself as a racist and apologise for your evil. Suggesting that perhaps you're not that bad means it's even worse than we feared. I don't think someone who really was a "gatekeeper of white supremacy" would describe themselves that way.

Being racist isn’t the same as being evil. Just about everyone, to some extent, is racist. I don’t see how that’s an extreme claim. Humans are a social species. We have in-groups and out-groups. Often times the most salient marker for whether someone is in your group is whether they share certain phenotypes or language. There’s nothing weird about that. It’s expected. It’s our default setting. But it does lead to tre…

We may tend to prefer in-groups as humans, but there's no reason why one's "in-group" should be defined by race. Indeed the whole notion of 'race' itself is largely artificial, historically- and locally-contingent, and thus so is racism. If the claim was that as humans, we're all naturally driven to be more broadly biased and perhaps intolerant towards some others, that would be far more defensible.

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I like the More in Common Project. But it overlooks the disproportionate representation of the extremists in our institutions. This happened at my alma matter earlier this year: https://freebeacon.com/campus/northwestern-law-administrator... . They also voted to abandon entrance exams at my magnet high school: https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=4979 It’s not comforting to know that only a tiny minority of people a…

I know those diversity sessions... They claim everyone who is white or passing as white is racist. I had to "confess" that i'm racist and promise to do better or it would have consequences for my career. Sidenote: I volunteer at a refugee center and took in a syrian family. Literally hitler, i know. A colleague got fired because he wouldn't confess and left the session. So even if that Dean said he is a racist, he's…

This is terrifying, almost cult-like.

The fact that this is what "fighting racism" looks like when forced hysterectomies are performed on undocumented immigrants in concentration camps show that it's not really about racism for the people that are doing this.

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When I was younger, this was a quote that was always thrown around: “Never doubt that a small, group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.” — Margaret Mead Is this really true though or does change occur in ways that are a lot smaller, more incremental and undetectable than we realize?

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Thats an over-reaction. The first is not religious in any sense. It appears to be an acknowledgment of the bias's we all have as humans. We all have bias's, unconscious and conscious - its part of being human. In that sense we're all 'racist' to some degree and its important to acknowledge that so as to overcome it. As far as the second example cited I think more information is missing before jumping to a conclusion.

It is completely baffling that anyone could not see the cult characteristic of a ritual where you're required to tell everyone around you that you are inherintly guilty. Seriously? What else do you need? Proclamation of the believe in unseen powers?

"cult characteristic of a ritual"

Thats a big stretch.

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I think the main culprit exacerbating this is the main stream media. "Vox pops" have formed part of filling air-time or column inches for a long while, but this is largely replaced now by journalists looking at Twitter and either a) using that as a stand-in for 'this is what the public think' or b) making it the story itself. Social media is no longer just "second screen" below-the-line commenting on events, it's hel…

> newspaper were to take an editorial stance that it won't quote/embed any tweets or social posts in their articles.

The entire internet should take this advice, firstly for the reason you stated, and also because the Twitter website UX is appalling.

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I like the More in Common Project. But it overlooks the disproportionate representation of the extremists in our institutions. This happened at my alma matter earlier this year: https://freebeacon.com/campus/northwestern-law-administrator... . They also voted to abandon entrance exams at my magnet high school: https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=4979 It’s not comforting to know that only a tiny minority of people a…

I know those diversity sessions... They claim everyone who is white or passing as white is racist. I had to "confess" that i'm racist and promise to do better or it would have consequences for my career. Sidenote: I volunteer at a refugee center and took in a syrian family. Literally hitler, i know. A colleague got fired because he wouldn't confess and left the session. So even if that Dean said he is a racist, he's…

I've been in such trainings, and I've seen lots of people get offended at hearing "you benefit from racism" as if it meant "you're racist".

Racists in positions of power may tilt the playing field in your favor whether you've asked for it or not. And it may not even be you personally, but people in your neighborhood, your social groups in general.

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You know I don't recall hearing the term "culture war" when I was studying critical theory and culture and media and so on at university last decade.. I heard about hegemony, and how theories of cultural transmission have changed over time.. I heard of Edward Said and his The Myth of the “Clash of Civilizations”, I heard of Virilio's "Pure War" of technology vs humanity... but I can't recall any discussion of a cultu…

Studies have shown that both sides are increasingly favorable to violence for political ends. The interesting thing I gained from your statements is, it would appear that both parties are moving towards fascism or "corporatism" as Mussolini liked to put it, with all the military-industrial complex that comes with it. It is clear to most people how corporatism could be applied to the Republican party, but socialism is also a "partnership" between government and corporations where government regulations and incentives to the market bend it to the governments will (and both the Right & Left have consistently increase the military-industrial complex). We may feel that climate intervention and laws implementing that needs to happen, but it is quite clearly a corporatism partnership with the government where companies are given marching orders with legal regulation, then given incentives to change their behaviour. Oddly enough, I think America is moving towards fascism, but the "anti-fascists" are just as guilty as the war hawks on Wall Street. There are very few people advocating truly a truly free society or scaling back the massive military-industrial complex and surveillance state.
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