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Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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These "open" vendors are selling you machines with a very, very closed Intel Management Engine (IME) or AMD Platform Security Processor (PSP) in it. They're distracting people from the real problem, and doing so is harmful.

Purism physically destroys components that won't run libre firmware.

They physically destroy the laptop's CPU?

I doubt that.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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I prefer a desktop because: 1. I like big, big monitors. 2. I prefer a full size keyboard. 3. I prefer a separate mouse. 4. I prefer big freaking disk drives installed. 5. I put the desktop under my desk, and with a wireless keyboard and wireless mouse, there is much less of a snarl on my desk. 6. The desktop has an optical drive I still use. 7. The desktop has lots of USB ports and they're all in use. 8. I can repla…

Real work happens here at my desk. The same boring static location with a controlled enviroment with little input from the outside world. Laptops are for shallow work, not much else.

> Laptops are for shallow work, not much else

For you. I get all my work done a laptop and have been for a decade.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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Instead of blasting UEFI, take a minute to learn about tools like `efibootmgr`, and how to install your own keys, so that you control your own machine. UEFI is a bit overengineered, but it's OK. - Most computers' UEFI firmware, desktop or laptop, allows you to install your own keys. - And every computer I've ever heard of with UEFI will allow you to disable secure boot. - Linux runs just fine on UEFI. I'm worried abo…

Your experience matches mine. And UEFI is more capable if you're interested in a multiboot setup, preserving a recovery partition, and such-like. I've yet to see a UEFI machine where you couldn't shut off secure boot in its firmware/settings menu. So I was a bit confused when I read the OP.

Yeah, it's pretty cool. With UEFI, you don't even need grub anymore for multiboot, although sometimes it's easier to set up like that.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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I'm surprised we havent tried to sell desktop computers with battery packs yet

That did occur to me reading through this discussion. I migrated entirely off desktops and went laptop / mobile. Got happy as my current work benefits from me being highly mobile. Super glad I did it. Ended up surprised at just how much can do with a Note type phone and optional keyboard / track pad. But, I never did replace fast and responsive. Just kind of coped and the other benefits made the whole thing worth it.…

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Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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Bought a desktop computer last week for the first time since 2005. Installed Ubuntu. Still SSH’ing into it mostly from MacBook, but it’s such a boon to productivity to have an always-on machine right here. And yeah the modularity of a desktop form factor is really amazing compared to Apple product line

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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I guess I'm confident that an open market will always provide for us. I don't know why you think it would not. Right now, today, it has never been easier to just go down to the local mall and buy a general purpose computer, and sure, there are lots of phones, tablets, and consoles on display as well, but there is no less computers as a result.

Good luck getting LSD or uranium-235 on the open market. You can still buy these, but only illegally. The market is slightly less open due to laws and regulations. These regulations can easily outlaw general-purpose computing on the same grounds of being too dangerous for the society. I can remind you how encryption algorithms were considered "munitions" back in 1990s, less than 30 years ago. At that time one would p…

I did concede in my original comment that a fascist government could make them illegal. I think it's far more likely than them just not being economical to make any more and disappearing from the market.

If we continue to give power to right wing extremists, all bets are off.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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> I know that new "open" laptops are still available, but most of them--the System76's, the Purisms, etc.--are overpriced in my opinion This quote suggest to me the author is an integral part of the problem. Companies are ALWAYS trying to increase their profitability. If they can lock down the computer, they can drop the price while _increasing_ CLTV. That’s why System76 is more expensive. They’re NOT overpriced. The…

I don't see it. I recently bought a System76 laptop, in honest competition with a comparable (and comparably priced) machine from a huge corporation. I ended up going for S76 based on better battery life and better design, plus the benefits of open firmware and excellent hardware integration with Linux. No regrets. I also got my employer to buy me a S76 desktop at work.

At home, though, I do run a slightly modified old Dell desktop that I bought on Craigslist for basically nothing, and for daily work I much much prefer it to any laptop. So yeah, old desktops and S76 FTW.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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While were on the subject I'm tired of these BS laptop keyboards. Stop trying to cram a numeric keyboard on there and shifting all the keys and trackpad to the left. It's great for the 1% of the time I need a full size numeric keyboard but sucks for the 99% of the time I don't.

I thought the same thing then I saw an accountant work one of those like Mozart and understood.

I do type Jira issue numbers and things quite a lot, I like the numeric keypad. Good for Civilization too.
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