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Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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Is that actually true anymore? I mean, hardware wise they are not much faster, but cooling is a different story.

AFAIK mobile CPUs max out at 8 physical cores, whereas you can get 16 at the higher end of mainstream in desktops, and up to 64 in the enthusiast segment. Core count isn't the whole story, obviously, but an important consideration for many applications.

One thing where multicore pays off for me is when running the D test suite.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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12. High end desktop CPUs are noticeably faster than mobile counterparts (higher freq, more cache)

Is that actually true anymore? I mean, hardware wise they are not much faster, but cooling is a different story.

There are obviously many ways to do this comparison, but going off Wikipedia's pricing for most recent Intel processors. Their highest end mobile processor is currently the i7-1185G7 which apparently retails for $426. Let's compare it with the closest desktop processor to that price, the i9-10900 ($438). Cores (Threads): 4(8) vs. 10(20). Base Freq: 3.0ghz (At 28w TDP) vs. 2.8ghz. Max All Core Turbo: 4.3ghz vs. 4.8ghz

Specs can never tell the true story, but it's clear that the mobile processor is going to be much slower for anything remotely processor intensive, and probably much more than twice as slow for anything making good use of multithreading.

Having had to go back and forth between a laptop and a desktop for a processor intensive application (AutoCAD) the difference was painful.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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I don't understand what the author is concerned about. Are there PC laptops being sold today on which you are prohibited from installing Linux because of UEFI / Secure Boot?

There was once a time while windows RT still existed and microsoft had a requirement that it must not be possible to disable secure boot. There is also the T2 chip on macbooks which currently does this.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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Does anyone have any recommendations if I want to keep using macOS, but I'm not tied to a MacBook? I realized I hadn't taken my main MacBook off the dock in 9 months. When I go out, I have an older one that I'm happy to use away from my desk. Since it's acting like a desktop now, I though maybe I'd replace it with a higher-spec mac desktop. But a high end mac mini isn't much different than a high-end MacBook. It seem…

I'm also wondering about this: I'd be very interested in building a desktop computer atm if I could run a reliable/up-to-date copy of macOS on it. A brief search on this didn't turn up anything promising though...

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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12. High end desktop CPUs are noticeably faster than mobile counterparts (higher freq, more cache)

And can sustain the top clocks with proper cooling, contrary to laptops.

Even SSDs throttle under heavy use.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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If your place of work is static, like an office desk at your company or at your home, why would you not want to use a desktop for work?

My workplace was static until this year when we all without notice started working from home.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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Is that actually true anymore? I mean, hardware wise they are not much faster, but cooling is a different story.

Use a $3,000 gaming laptop. I guarantee it'll stutter and throttle and perfom less well than a same-gen $1,000 PC. More expensive, less performant, and less serviceable with a suite of proprietary bloatware on top.

I usually build a desktop for $4-500, because I reuse parts from the older one, and don't need a gamer graphics card. I blow the money on the mobo, CPU, and lots of ram.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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I don't understand what the author is concerned about. Are there PC laptops being sold today on which you are prohibited from installing Linux because of UEFI / Secure Boot?

There was once a time while windows RT still existed and microsoft had a requirement that it must not be possible to disable secure boot. There is also the T2 chip on macbooks which currently does this.

The T2 boot loader lock can be disabled by an Apple-provided utility.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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Right away I will say that I do use desktops and in general would prefer because of the absolute power. However my laptops are gaming grade and most of the time I use one of those as a desktop. And this is how it goes again your list: 1) I have 2 "big big" 4K monitors hooked up to my laptop so no problems here. The laptop's monitor is not used as the lid is closed. 2/3) I use external keyboard and mouse. No problems…

I didn't know that a modern laptop could drive 2 4K monitors. This is good news. BTW, it sounds to me that your laptop setup is indistinguishable from a desktop, and your setup is even less portable than a desktop, so why not go the cheap desktop route?

Not GP, but I travel a lot for work (last 7 months notwithstanding). When I’m home and docked, I have a 9/10 experience compared to my personal desktop. When I travel, I have a 1/2 as good experience as compared to when docked but 100% better experience than my desktop would give.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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Nothing beats 32 cores with a 32 inch 4K IPS monitor, and a proper mechanical keyboard. Also, wired internet, not subject to radio interference. The very pinnacle of computing experience.

I have never understood the fixation on what terminal one uses to connect to the network with. I never have anything of great value on my laptop or desktop, and I use them mainly to communicate with bigger machines in data centers (or websites like ycombinator and Twitter). If I haven’t got pushed recently I might lose a little work if the endpoint gets broken but I mostly push too often rather than not enough. (My commits don’t all have a Jira number). I do like a screen big enough to have two files side by side but I prefer not to have everything visible at once as it reduces my concentration on the one thing I am doing. Multiple tmux windows or an excessive number of emacs buffers will remember the state of those tasks till I need them again. It is a shame I need 32G of ram to let all the corporate spyware run and have it be as fast as an 8G from ten years ago, but ssh and emacs are still reasonably snappy. Basically the same setup with more pixels and slower UI as when i did the same work (different languages and less compute) over a 14.4 modem. But I also have enough spare local compute and bandwidth to have a browser tab playing music from YouTube somewhere while I work instead of from the CD player.
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