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Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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12. High end desktop CPUs are noticeably faster than mobile counterparts (higher freq, more cache)

Is that actually true anymore? I mean, hardware wise they are not much faster, but cooling is a different story.

Use a $3,000 gaming laptop. I guarantee it'll stutter and throttle and perfom less well than a same-gen $1,000 PC.

More expensive, less performant, and less serviceable with a suite of proprietary bloatware on top.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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From the article: "What worries me as much as the end of general-purpose computing for the masses is that so few seem to understand that it is ending." Correction: Has Ended. The vast majority of people using computers has shifted to phones and tablets. I have a friend who's a millenial who barely knows how to use his desktop PC (It's a Mac) but is fluent on his iPad/iPhone. Most people are not content creators, they…

Android is still general purpose. I have Termux if I need to compile and run something. I can sideload APKs. I run Windows on desktop for newer games, but quite a few work on my Ubuntu laptop too.

Unless your overlords benign be: "Nein!"

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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I prefer a desktop because: 1. I like big, big monitors. 2. I prefer a full size keyboard. 3. I prefer a separate mouse. 4. I prefer big freaking disk drives installed. 5. I put the desktop under my desk, and with a wireless keyboard and wireless mouse, there is much less of a snarl on my desk. 6. The desktop has an optical drive I still use. 7. The desktop has lots of USB ports and they're all in use. 8. I can repla…

>11. I want an all-metal case because a machine caught fire once. I would love elaboration on what happened.

The graphics card caught fire. Fortunately, I was at my desk at the time and couldn't help but notice the heavy smoke boiling out of the machine. I pulled the plug pronto which halted the fire, and put the machine out on the concrete patio till it stopped smoking. Curious, I plugged it in again and the fire started again. REmoving the cover showed the graphics card and a section of the mobo was burned to a crisp.

I had to wash the floor, walls, everything in my office to get the stink out.

Replaced the mobo and graphics card and I was back in business, but this time I bought some sheet steel and set the computer on that, which hopefully would buy some time to get the fire out.

The machine had a metal case, which I'm sure greatly slowed down the spread of the fire. So for me from now on, it's metal cases all the way, baby.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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The more I see articles like this, the more I think about Urbit.

I wish people interested in this gave it more of an in-depth look and actually played with it.

It really attacks the problem at its source in a way a lot of these other methods don’t.

You can use a desktop, but services are still going to be largely centralized. We need a from first principles correction to fix broken incentives.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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Does anyone have any recommendations if I want to keep using macOS, but I'm not tied to a MacBook?

I realized I hadn't taken my main MacBook off the dock in 9 months. When I go out, I have an older one that I'm happy to use away from my desk. Since it's acting like a desktop now, I though maybe I'd replace it with a higher-spec mac desktop. But a high end mac mini isn't much different than a high-end MacBook.

It seems if you want a high-performance mac but don't want to spend 6k+ on a mac pro, a specced-out 16" MacBook is the best choice. Is that correct?

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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I never left. Assuming a full Laptop with secure boot disabled, running Linux (Fedora) counts.

Unlike the author I do use recent Laptops with Linux. Like the author I like to actually own my machine.

I would never trade this for a "gadget" running Android, ChromeOS, or IOS - other than my phone that is.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

12. High end desktop CPUs are noticeably faster than mobile counterparts (higher freq, more cache)

Is that actually true anymore? I mean, hardware wise they are not much faster, but cooling is a different story.

This will be true for a long time - the design constraints are so totally different it would be foolish to use the same design in desktop and laptop systems.

The most limiting thing is TDP, which in the highest performance laptop processors is still capped at 45W, whereas a maxed out desktop processor can draw 100W or more.

See these tables for i9, for example, compare Coffee-Lake-S (Desktop) with Coffee-Lake-H (Laptop) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_i9_processo...

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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I have been reading this same article for the past thirty years. Yet, I can still install and run whatever operating system and software I want on my laptop _and_ desktop, and I don't see any sign that that freedom will go away anytime soon. It is true that the billion-dollar media companies have decided a subscription model is more lucrative than a one-time-purchase model for the mass-market content they produce (mo…

Another angle is educational.

With the kid, I want to get a motherboard, power supply, RAM and disk and build it all up to a prompt.

Then do Linux From Scratch on it.

Not practical for daily usage, but invaluable for teaching what is at stake with the stack.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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I prefer a desktop because: 1. I like big, big monitors. 2. I prefer a full size keyboard. 3. I prefer a separate mouse. 4. I prefer big freaking disk drives installed. 5. I put the desktop under my desk, and with a wireless keyboard and wireless mouse, there is much less of a snarl on my desk. 6. The desktop has an optical drive I still use. 7. The desktop has lots of USB ports and they're all in use. 8. I can repla…

My last 4 machines have been Alienware laptops. I enjoy the freedom to travel and take my machine with me. I still use external monitor/keyboard and mouse. It's basically a modular, portable computing machine. Perfect for graphic design, web development and light to moderate gaming.

Re: I am seriously considering going back to desktop computers

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From the article: "What worries me as much as the end of general-purpose computing for the masses is that so few seem to understand that it is ending." Correction: Has Ended. The vast majority of people using computers has shifted to phones and tablets. I have a friend who's a millenial who barely knows how to use his desktop PC (It's a Mac) but is fluent on his iPad/iPhone. Most people are not content creators, they…

I don't think "the masses" were ever interested in general-purpose computing. For them it never started. For people who actually care, I think the concerns are overblown and we'll always have access to a machine that can run open software. And yes sure, we might not be able to pay consumer prices for them, but they are not going anywhere. And sure, we might elect a fascist government which will simply ban the technol…

There's a large chunk of enthusiasts between "the masses" and the hard core of people who "actually care" enough (and are rich enough) to go out of their way to have their own machine at home no matter what short of it being illegal.
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