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Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by tdrgabi »

thristian wrote: post #141
sssarel wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do actually mention 3 specific copyrighted songs used as examples in the tests. Seems to me that was on oversight, and they should have only used open videos as tests in the repo. Similar to how Kodi can't use copyrighted material in app store screenshots or videos.

The tests are testing that youtube-dl can successfully see through three specific varieties of obfuscation as used by those videos. Testing open videos would not work, since Google doesn't obfuscate those in the same way. Uploading special videos with the right configuration wouldn't work, those particular obfuscation methods are only available to specific YouTube partners, not to the youtube-dl authors.

Isn't that evidence for the case though? youtube-dl has code to see through obfuscation methods which are only available to specific YouTube partners. If you're a tool for downloading open, not copyrighted videos, why do you need that?

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by LockAndLol »

tomjuggler wrote: post #138

The change is gone now, I literally watched it disappear. I really hope that youtube-dl can bounce back from this. I mean what's next, Kodi? NewPipe?

NewPipe is actively looking for a method of mirroring the code + (and more importantly for them) Github issues and PRs https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipe/issues/4619

Related suggestions have been https://github.com/MichaelMure/git-bug and https://github.com/google/git-appraise . The former (git-bug) allows decentralized issue management by storing the issues and conversations on separate git objects, while git-appraise allows the same but for code reviews and thus (I assume) pull/merge requests.

IMO, both very nice projects that open-source devs might want to investigate in order to be independent of their code hosting platforms. Or even better, contribute or donate for their continued development. The current dependence on hosted issue + PR management is revealing its weaknesses.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by nix23 »

saddlerustle wrote: post #146
fabianhjr wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not a DMCA notice; A DMCA notice requires the identification of claimed copyrighted content and this document does no such thing. The document claims that youtube-dl is illegal for being able to download video and audio from YouTube but not for hosting copyrighted material in the repo or binary distributions. The RIAA is claiming youtube-dl is "circumventing DRM".

No, youtube-dl is illegal for including code to decrypt youtube video request signatures, which are scrambled specifically on most music videos, which a german court ruled is an effective technological protection measure.

>llegal for including code to decrypt youtube video request signatures

No it's not, in Switzerland for example it's legal to use tools to remove stuff like DRM, if you DONT redistribute the decrypted stuff.

What a German Court says is often not relevant outside germany.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by RealStickman_ »

DavideNL wrote: post #145
xg15 wrote: post #135

It's a fun hack, but to those thinking about streisanding the source: The strength of ytdl and other downloaders isn't their source code, it's the extensive library of scrapers that are tailor-made for individual sites. The devs have to constantly maintain and update those to keep working when a site changes its design. So if the takedown manages to stop ongoing development on ytdl then even existing copies will beco…

Would it not be possible to move to some decentralized Github alternative?

The problem is finding a good alternative and getting everybody to move there.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by bitwize »

echelon wrote: post #63
AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is hilarious, well done. I realized something while :+1:-ing your PR: I was thinking about how digg deleted my account over posting the AACS key, I really couldn't care less if Microsoft deleted my account over it. Very interesting considering that even just 2 years ago I never would have done this for fear of my account being deleted. All of my work and personal projects are moved to gitlab (the CI/Kubernetes/e…

Microsoft is losing the good will they've worked so hard to rebuild. Microsoft employees, managers, Satya: do you see what you're doing? I love the direction you've taken over the past five years, but bowing to the RIAA and attempting to disrupt an innocuous tool are horrible decisions. It's a chilling note, and everyone involved in tech can hear it. Are you telling us Github is not a safe place to develop software a…

They don't want to end up in jail. It's a felony to traffic in circumvention devices under the DMCA. YouTube's obfuscation methods count as "effective" copyright protection per the law.

GitHub never was a safe place to develop illegal software. For example, you could expect them to take down hacking tools lickety-split.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by scrollaway »

nix23 wrote: post #153
saddlerustle wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, youtube-dl is illegal for including code to decrypt youtube video request signatures, which are scrambled specifically on most music videos, which a german court ruled is an effective technological protection measure.

>llegal for including code to decrypt youtube video request signatures No it's not, in Switzerland for example it's legal to use tools to remove stuff like DRM, if you DONT redistribute the decrypted stuff. What a German Court says is often not relevant outside germany.

Here's a video of a copyright lawyer agreeing with GP for 1h20min: https://youtu.be/wZITscblMBA

In short, what a german court says will absolutely influence what a US court says in the context of an international copyright treaty.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by nix23 »

scrollaway wrote: post #156
nix23 wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>llegal for including code to decrypt youtube video request signatures No it's not, in Switzerland for example it's legal to use tools to remove stuff like DRM, if you DONT redistribute the decrypted stuff. What a German Court says is often not relevant outside germany.

Here's a video of a copyright lawyer agreeing with GP for 1h20min: https://youtu.be/wZITscblMBA In short, what a german court says will absolutely influence what a US court says in the context of an international copyright treaty.

>german court says will absolutely influence what a US court

Not will but can. That's a difference...and i dont watch a 1h20min YT video about Copyright...when decrypting has nothing todo with copyright.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by toyg »

Bjartr wrote: post #65
echelon wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft is losing the good will they've worked so hard to rebuild. Microsoft employees, managers, Satya: do you see what you're doing? I love the direction you've taken over the past five years, but bowing to the RIAA and attempting to disrupt an innocuous tool are horrible decisions. It's a chilling note, and everyone involved in tech can hear it. Are you telling us Github is not a safe place to develop software a…

IANAL, but as far as I recall, a site receiving a DMCA notice must immediately remove the stated content. The person who put the content up may then file a counter-notice, which, if uncontested may then be followed by reinstating the content. If contested, the process moves into the courtroom.

The law says “expeditiously”, not immediately. This gives a degree of flexibility to judge the basic elements of the claim, which they clearly did not do here (as others have pointed out, this does not look like a valid request).

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by saddlerustle »

nix23 wrote: post #153
saddlerustle wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, youtube-dl is illegal for including code to decrypt youtube video request signatures, which are scrambled specifically on most music videos, which a german court ruled is an effective technological protection measure.

>llegal for including code to decrypt youtube video request signatures No it's not, in Switzerland for example it's legal to use tools to remove stuff like DRM, if you DONT redistribute the decrypted stuff. What a German Court says is often not relevant outside germany.

Switzerland, as well as almost every western country that ratified the relevant WIPO treaties, has broadly similar laws to the DMCA: https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classified-compilation/19920251/...

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by scrollaway »

nix23 wrote: post #157
scrollaway wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a video of a copyright lawyer agreeing with GP for 1h20min: https://youtu.be/wZITscblMBA In short, what a german court says will absolutely influence what a US court says in the context of an international copyright treaty.

>german court says will absolutely influence what a US court Not will but can. That's a difference...and i dont watch a 1h20min YT video about Copyright...when decrypting has nothing todo with copyright.

It's a video about the exact case in question, talks extensively about the decryption aspect and in general the circumvention of technological protection measures.

Watch it, don't watch it, it doesn't matter to anyone here, but please lower that horse back down to earth, it's a little high.

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