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Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by thristian »

sssarel wrote: post #134
fabianhjr wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not a DMCA notice; A DMCA notice requires the identification of claimed copyrighted content and this document does no such thing. The document claims that youtube-dl is illegal for being able to download video and audio from YouTube but not for hosting copyrighted material in the repo or binary distributions. The RIAA is claiming youtube-dl is "circumventing DRM".

They do actually mention 3 specific copyrighted songs used as examples in the tests. Seems to me that was on oversight, and they should have only used open videos as tests in the repo. Similar to how Kodi can't use copyrighted material in app store screenshots or videos.

The tests are testing that youtube-dl can successfully see through three specific varieties of obfuscation as used by those videos. Testing open videos would not work, since Google doesn't obfuscate those in the same way. Uploading special videos with the right configuration wouldn't work, those particular obfuscation methods are only available to specific YouTube partners, not to the youtube-dl authors.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by StavrosK »

lemagedurage wrote: post #101
aesyondu wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think the long term solution for this problem is the developers of open source software like the bit torrent client, youtube-dl and other similar software will have to host their code outside of the reach of DMCA regualation I'm not sure about that. I think the real long term solution is to have a decentralized version of YouTube/video publishing platform that is resistant (invulnerable?) to censorship. I'm not s…

Zeronet [0] has implemented a decentralized website model, a Github alternative on there could be more resilient, though it does require additional client software to run. I believe the site owner can update their decentralized website with their cryptographic keys. Perhaps WebTorrent [1] can be the basis for an in-browser implementation, along with service workers to stay cached and self-update without requiring a r…

Zeronet is very underrated, though I've never been able to exactly grok their high level architecture, for some reason.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

tomjuggler wrote: post #138

The change is gone now, I literally watched it disappear. I really hope that youtube-dl can bounce back from this. I mean what's next, Kodi? NewPipe?

I think projects like Kodi, OSMC etc. are seasoned enough and extremely careful with how they show intent.

They only allow official add ons that are on the legal side of copyright. Same goes for official docs.

But you can see what happened to Exodus, Covenant, Popcorn, etc. If you are making a dent after enough time they catch up.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by bawolff »

deelowe wrote: post #71
Bjartr wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IANAL, but as far as I recall, a site receiving a DMCA notice must immediately remove the stated content. The person who put the content up may then file a counter-notice, which, if uncontested may then be followed by reinstating the content. If contested, the process moves into the courtroom.

Correct. A company cannot not comply with a dmca takedown. When the law was written, the supposed safeguard against copyright holders filing tons of frivolous claims is that a counter claim can be pretty serious. Of course history has shown that this didn't work out as planned.

A company is under no obligation to comply with an invalid notice. Wikipedia ignores invalid DMCA requests all the time.

It is risky though, as the company opens itself up to a lot of liability if its wrong.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by DavideNL »

xg15 wrote: post #135

It's a fun hack, but to those thinking about streisanding the source: The strength of ytdl and other downloaders isn't their source code, it's the extensive library of scrapers that are tailor-made for individual sites. The devs have to constantly maintain and update those to keep working when a site changes its design. So if the takedown manages to stop ongoing development on ytdl then even existing copies will beco…

Would it not be possible to move to some decentralized Github alternative?

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by saddlerustle »

fabianhjr wrote: post #90
Bjartr wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IANAL, but as far as I recall, a site receiving a DMCA notice must immediately remove the stated content. The person who put the content up may then file a counter-notice, which, if uncontested may then be followed by reinstating the content. If contested, the process moves into the courtroom.

This is not a DMCA notice; A DMCA notice requires the identification of claimed copyrighted content and this document does no such thing. The document claims that youtube-dl is illegal for being able to download video and audio from YouTube but not for hosting copyrighted material in the repo or binary distributions. The RIAA is claiming youtube-dl is "circumventing DRM".

No, youtube-dl is illegal for including code to decrypt youtube video request signatures, which are scrambled specifically on most music videos, which a german court ruled is an effective technological protection measure.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by miguelmota »

rapnie wrote: post #132
djeiasbsbo wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What we really need is a decentralised git forge using something like ActivityPub. We cannot keep relying on companies to host open content for us.

Yes, like https://forgefed.peers.community/ which is exactly that.

Probably a dumb question, but don't federated services eventually lead to centralization? for example SMTP is federated but most users are on gmail, IRC is decentralized but most users are on freenode server, etc. users tend to choose the services/instances with the most users, which is what makes github currently very valuable.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by saddlerustle »

Iv wrote: post #6
mmastrac wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such a great hack. I approved the PR, naturally.

Note that a hack is not a fix. All of you, write to your representatives about that if you care. In EU when they were going to put some similar laws we all organized and wrote massively to the parliament and they backed down. It is a lot of effort but it works.

What? Pretty much every EU member ratified the same WIPO treaties and so have almost identical laws to the DMCA.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by bitwize »

fabianhjr wrote: post #90
Bjartr wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IANAL, but as far as I recall, a site receiving a DMCA notice must immediately remove the stated content. The person who put the content up may then file a counter-notice, which, if uncontested may then be followed by reinstating the content. If contested, the process moves into the courtroom.

This is not a DMCA notice; A DMCA notice requires the identification of claimed copyrighted content and this document does no such thing. The document claims that youtube-dl is illegal for being able to download video and audio from YouTube but not for hosting copyrighted material in the repo or binary distributions. The RIAA is claiming youtube-dl is "circumventing DRM".

It is.

The DMCA makes circumventing "effective" protection measures illegal. "Effective" is a term defined in law and basically means any hoop you have to jump through to get to copyrighted material, no matter how flawed or trivially bypassed. The restrictions in place to allow YouTube videos to be only downloaded through YouTube count.

Youtube-dl is absolutely illegal software.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

#150

Post by bitwize »

thristian wrote: post #141
sssarel wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do actually mention 3 specific copyrighted songs used as examples in the tests. Seems to me that was on oversight, and they should have only used open videos as tests in the repo. Similar to how Kodi can't use copyrighted material in app store screenshots or videos.

The tests are testing that youtube-dl can successfully see through three specific varieties of obfuscation as used by those videos. Testing open videos would not work, since Google doesn't obfuscate those in the same way. Uploading special videos with the right configuration wouldn't work, those particular obfuscation methods are only available to specific YouTube partners, not to the youtube-dl authors.

That just proves that Youtube-dl is intended to circumvent copyright protection measures. Those obfuscation measures count as "effective" for the purposes of the DMCA. Trafficking in software to circumvent them is a felony. GitHub and Microsoft could find themselves criminally liable if they do not take it down.
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