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Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by sergeykish »

gizmo686 wrote: post #33
Iv wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that a hack is not a fix. All of you, write to your representatives about that if you care. In EU when they were going to put some similar laws we all organized and wrote massively to the parliament and they backed down. It is a lot of effort but it works.

And what should we ask for? There is stuff to complain about with the DMCA, but the core process is reasonable. Someone claims copyright infringement by a user, and the website takes the content down. The user claims no copyright infringement, the website restores the content. The website is immune from liability, the alleged copyright owner can settle things in court with the user if they want to.

But what part of it is copyrighted? URL? It does not contain copyrighted text, audio, video.

Information is on the plain sight, it is like banning base64. Any general purpose computing should be taken down as well. Browsers has DRM, as I know youtube-dl can't download Netflix, Youtube Premium etc.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by dannyw »

Stephen304 wrote: post #19
joeblau wrote: post #9

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I don't understand what's going on here. Can you explain?

I might not be able to explain well, but from what I understand about how github works, when you fork someone else's repo, github only stores 1 tree but you have your own set of tags / branches. This led to an issue that was probably fixed where if you set a repo to private, anyone who had a clone could guess commit hashes from their fork's remote. Another interesting thing about git is that you can have 2 root commi…

This seems like a security issue, no?

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by devwastaken »

jjeaff wrote: post #43
saagarjha wrote: post #38

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RIAA taking down all of GitHub would instantly pit them against all of Microsoft, and make every developer who already hates their guts to pick up the pitchforks and march. They won't try doing it.

And as much as RIAA is mostly a slimey pit of lawyers, they would stand no chance again msft's goblin hoard of attorneys.

More attorneys does not convince judges more. The RIAA has some merit, therefore they can preliminary injunction github to remove the repo. If github doesn't comply then they receive sanctions. That's simply how it works.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by karinlee »

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Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by deadalus »

aesyondu wrote: post #80
ab_testing wrote: post #73

I think the long term solution for this problem is the developers of open source software like the bit torrent client, youtube-dl and other similar software will have to host their code outside of the reach of DMCA regualation. That will usually mean something like Github like site hosted in Russia, China or some other bloc where DMCA does not apply. Right now, lots of users in the US scientific community use Scihub…

> I think the long term solution for this problem is the developers of open source software like the bit torrent client, youtube-dl and other similar software will have to host their code outside of the reach of DMCA regualation I'm not sure about that. I think the real long term solution is to have a decentralized version of YouTube/video publishing platform that is resistant (invulnerable?) to censorship. I'm not s…

LBRY.tv is a decentralized Youtube alternative. Another one is : bittube.tv

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by yoz-y »

jcranmer wrote: post #34
AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #25

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This is hilarious, well done. I realized something while :+1:-ing your PR: I was thinking about how digg deleted my account over posting the AACS key, I really couldn't care less if Microsoft deleted my account over it. Very interesting considering that even just 2 years ago I never would have done this for fear of my account being deleted. All of my work and personal projects are moved to gitlab (the CI/Kubernetes/e…

> I know a sample size of 1 has an effectively 100% error rate, but, I think Microsoft is losing mindshare with GitHub. Stuff like this doesn't help. I could see a small company like GitLab needing to toe the DMCA line, but, Microsoft has the deep pockets and could have built some major community will here by handling this better. Unfortunate that they didn't. If MS didn't comply with the DMCA takedown notice, then t…

More importantly GitHub could lose the status of safe haven and could be held liable for all repositories.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by Reelin »

clusterfish wrote: post #83
ab_testing wrote: post #73

I think the long term solution for this problem is the developers of open source software like the bit torrent client, youtube-dl and other similar software will have to host their code outside of the reach of DMCA regualation. That will usually mean something like Github like site hosted in Russia, China or some other bloc where DMCA does not apply. Right now, lots of users in the US scientific community use Scihub…

Relying on other countries can't ever be a long term solution. That pirate bay and scihub are still around, that their authors are walking around freely, is a miracle that should not be taken for granted. We need to work on fixing these problems in our own countries. We need to talk about the freedoms we care about, put a good brand to those freedoms and win popular attention and enshrine those freedoms into law. And…

I agree in principle, but a much easier fix would be to host such code on a tor hidden service. That way the physical server can be located more or less wherever.

Then we just have to normalize the use of Tor so that banning it becomes unthinkable ...

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by yoz-y »

gizmo686 wrote: post #33
Iv wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that a hack is not a fix. All of you, write to your representatives about that if you care. In EU when they were going to put some similar laws we all organized and wrote massively to the parliament and they backed down. It is a lot of effort but it works.

And what should we ask for? There is stuff to complain about with the DMCA, but the core process is reasonable. Someone claims copyright infringement by a user, and the website takes the content down. The user claims no copyright infringement, the website restores the content. The website is immune from liability, the alleged copyright owner can settle things in court with the user if they want to.

For one I’d like there to be some punishment for repeated abuse of DMCA. GitHub policies state that repeat offenders can get their accounts suspended/deleted. Why can’t repeat offenders (RIAA) get banned from the system at least? Some increasing back off after a rejected claim was posted? Anything that would make it un-economical to just spam the system with notices wherever you like it because there is no downside to it.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by nialv7 »

ab_testing wrote: post #73

I think the long term solution for this problem is the developers of open source software like the bit torrent client, youtube-dl and other similar software will have to host their code outside of the reach of DMCA regualation. That will usually mean something like Github like site hosted in Russia, China or some other bloc where DMCA does not apply. Right now, lots of users in the US scientific community use Scihub…

Hosting the git repository on ipfs might be a solution.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by terminalcommand »

saagarjha wrote: post #52
jcranmer wrote: post #49

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I doubt they'd fear the PR backlash. They didn't fear it before SOPA, and even when SOPA was defeated, it was largely because the backlash was driven by efforts by sites like Wikipedia, Facebook, and Google advertising counter-SOPA messaging, and that drives far more traffic than sites like GitHub.

Taking down GitHub would instantly make millions of developers at thousands of companies unable to do their work.

Interestingly, my country (Turkey) did ban github (along with google drive, microsoft onedrive etc.) back in 2016. However they reopened it within hours (18 hours to be exact), because systems all over the country were failing. One of the driving reasons was that ATMs stopped working. Appearently they were downloading some updates from github to function.

Stupidity has no limits.

For more info: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_GitHub

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