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Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by spicyramen »

sfifs wrote: post #218
spicyramen wrote: post #167

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Google Colab has a very very strong Engineering team. Part of Google Research they definetly changed the game when they offer a free product which 1) increased collaboration across ML research 2) offer everybody access to GPUs first K80 and now T4 which is great among researchers and students. Now many other notebooks products now want to be the Enterprise colab version

Isn't colab going away and being replaced by AI Notebooks? At least that's what a GCP partner trainer was telling me...

Very good question. They target different audience, Google has many notebooks solutions: colab (free) colab enterprise (monthly) kaggle, ai platform notebooks and datalab. Colab is targeted to students/researchers which are just experimenting, as there is no guarantee that kernel will run more than 24hrs. The paid version removes this restriction. AI notebooks is targeted for enterprise data scientists (Jupyterlab) which require patches/VPC-SC/IAM integration, security, etc. Datalab is the very first version of the notebooks and that's going away. Kaggle is mainly for competitions. In the end Google will have only 2 Notebooks colab and AIP notebooks

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Post by strawberrypuree »

shajznnckfke wrote: post #339
strawberrypuree wrote: post #323

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So the lesson is: if you use Google products, you better hope you use them the way most people do, otherwise the company will take it away from you. This is what it means to be a company with no vision.

I think the world would be a worse place if every product ever made was supported forever. There would be nobody left to work on making things better.

There are several places on the spectrum between total shutdown and perpetual support. Google hasn't made it vary far to the right on this spectrum.

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Post by jwalton »

heyoni wrote: post #324
TuringNYC wrote: post #305

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I realize we're talking about music and google here, but i'm curious how people feel about Audible and Kindle? I made a fairly large bet on Audble+Kindle because we ran out of space in our home for books (as well as the portability.) Our entire library is now on Kindle with elaborate notes -- how big a risk do you think this is? (to compare risks, btw, in the past my past home got majorly flooded (Hurricane Sandy) an…

Kindle and even PC downloadable games fall into the same category. You stand to lose your license to access if the service shuts down but at least you have binaries or files that could be reversed. It’s becoming harder though, considering how much effort RDR2 took to crack.

I (mostly) only buy DRM free books,and I'm happily reading them on my ancient Sony reader which has neither a touchscreen nor wifi. Baen has a fantastic collection of DRM free content you can buy directly from them. All the Tor books are available from your favorite bookseller without DRM.

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Post by jwalton »

01100011 wrote: post #202
s3r3nity wrote: post #120

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>The migration was super botched by the product team because of this. I honestly don't know why Google's Product Team has any positive reputation at this point. I can count on one hand the number of positive launches from that company that didn't involve buying another company or product. It's almost as if they're so good at playing politics and "the game" that people can't see the actual track record is shit.

> I honestly don't know why Google's Product Team has any positive reputation at this point. They have a positive reputation? I've been a loyal Googler for about 20 years. Nexus, Pixel, Chromecasts, GMail, Fi, Android TV, Google Domains... I'm about done. It seems like every month they do something to make it more apparent that they're just an advertising company. Products fail to get maintained, they get upgrades th…

I'm having a very hard time deciding what my next phone will be. I'd like to move away from Android because it's basically an advertising machine, and iOS certainly seems to be the more privacy focused... But I also won't be able to run "real" firefox with an ad blocker like I can on Android...

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

harisund wrote: post #313
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #299

Wow, reading all of these comments, it's really striking to me how Google has basically no consumer goodwill left. Obviously this is a biased sample, but it's kind of amazing to me how a company that was admired and beloved not too long ago is just reviled now: by governments, by their users, by their customers (i.e. advertisers). I really have to wonder what morale is like in Google-land. So much of their corporate…

I hope you are kidding. When you are getting money the amounts Google pays their employees, you couldn't care less if everyone in the world says "we hate you, you suck" Plus, once you have Google on your resume, it's hard to imagine a company that will reject you so ... again, no one cares if they are hated.

> When you are getting money the amounts Google pays their employees, you couldn't care less if everyone in the world says "we hate you, you suck"

That kind of exquisitely proves my point. Back 15-20 years ago, the pitch was "if you're really smart and want to make gobs of money, but don't mind selling your soul, go to Wall Street. If you want to change the world (for the better) go to Silicon Valley."

Yes, of course that was always somewhat marketing speak, but it was also fairly representative of how people thought. This idea that people are just in it for the money, or just in it to "build your resume", are the kind of behaviors Googlers from an earlier era would have looked at with utter distain.

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

izacus wrote: post #312
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #299

Wow, reading all of these comments, it's really striking to me how Google has basically no consumer goodwill left. Obviously this is a biased sample, but it's kind of amazing to me how a company that was admired and beloved not too long ago is just reviled now: by governments, by their users, by their customers (i.e. advertisers). I really have to wonder what morale is like in Google-land. So much of their corporate…

Please don't mix loud yellers of HN with reality. If you look at any independent consumer reports the picture is very different. And Yeah, there's plenty of people liking Google and even Facebook still. Please never never mix up the sentiment of a site with a voting system (which while design will drown out certain ideas) with the general reality. This leads into very nasty surprises - both when releasing products in…

I mean, on one hand, sure, it's no surprise that your average person doesn't have as much hate toward Google as your average HNer. My point is Google used to be absolutely admired and beloved by the types of folks who frequent HN, and now, even if you don't look at them with distain, I think most HNers at least look at them with some sense of regret.

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Post by pjmlp »

TuringNYC wrote: post #305
homero wrote: post #253

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Anyone using Stadia is risking all their game purchases getting lost when it shuts down.

I realize we're talking about music and google here, but i'm curious how people feel about Audible and Kindle? I made a fairly large bet on Audble+Kindle because we ran out of space in our home for books (as well as the portability.) Our entire library is now on Kindle with elaborate notes -- how big a risk do you think this is? (to compare risks, btw, in the past my past home got majorly flooded (Hurricane Sandy) an…

I use a Kindle, but always buy books from sources that also offer epub and PDF in addition to Kindle formats, unless the only digital alternative is on Amazon as some editors are very keen on Kindle DRM.

For my eyes e-ink devices are the best to read on, just like paper.

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Post by HeadsUpHigh »

salamanderman wrote: post #334
HeadsUpHigh wrote: post #333

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Wait are you losing your purchases? As in, you don't get to download a copy of the album?

You definitely do get to download them. My spouse and I did it.

Ok then that's much better than I expected it to be. Other services that act primarily as digital shops get a lot of praise overall( qobuz bandcamp) so I'm not sure about the situation here.
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