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I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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CCP must not go unpunished. The world needs to stand up to their lone wolf style. If we do not stand up against CCP now it will only embolden the evil. Vote with your wallets. Avoid buying China made products. Pressure/ Make laws for retailers to enforce Country of Origin information for each and every product especially Amazon. Amazon is flooded with cheap Chinese products almost certainly made in inhumane condition…

We don't have to punish them. We just have to stop enriching them.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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A few individuals buying less stuff isn't going to have much effect. We need something more like the west putting 50% tariffs on Chinese products so all the manufacturing starts moving to other countries. That would probably get their attention.

I'm sort of coming around to this perspective, but I think it's a bit rash. I'd like to see something along the lines of "tariffs go up 5% each year, and will be dropped to zero when China drops the GFC". I don't want huge economic disruption for China or the US, but a slow disentanglement. And a clear carrot that lets them know it's not personal, the CCP just has to let its citizens talk with the peoples it wants to…

The only motivation for policy makers to do this, is if it would appease swing voters. Voters need to be at least as interested in the human rights angle as the domestic employment angle, if we are to see tarrifs being used specifically as leverage to improve those global human rights.

Otherwise, in spite of gains in redundant manufacturing capacity (great for local employment, and for national security), it's likely there would be a degradation in workers' rights domestically in order to keep costs low. In order to avoid these outcomes, workers' rights and human rights need to be something that most voters believe are important.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Yes, but arguing we didn’t already do something so we shouldn’t start now isn’t right. I know that isn’t your point, and agreed on the WTO. As a mass we will never sacrifice a 10% cheaper product to stop inhumanities. We need to elect officials who will handle that via economics. I’ve always been a fan of taxing Chinese imports to offset this factor. If only we can just keep partisan politics out of the discussions a…

There will never be a hot war between China and the US. Or if there is, it'll be the end of the world so it doesn't matter. Two nuclear triad powers simply can't fight directly.

Why not?

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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I have never read a first-hand account, that is why I am posting this.

Uh, there are many accounts from people who were at various camps if you just search, because the typical stay is much shorter than let on in propaganda. In fact, pretty much all accounts are from people who were released. These are much closer in nature to the US border detention camps, with "prisoners" entering and leaving regularly.

you know a nerve has been struck when the 3 Kuai Army [1] brigades into HN to "share the truth" about "re-education camps"

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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What does calling the virus the Chinese virus achieve? Does it solve the current crisis we are in? I’d like to go back to my original question - what is the substance or end result? And in your mind, what does it mean that Trump is willing to “stand up” to China? What is the net effect or outcome? Last I checked, there are over 200,000 Americans dead from the virus. The American President initially denied it was a re…

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I wasn't defending China's internment of Uighurs, and so much of what you wrote is a strawman.

Why does Trump need a second term for the two items you mentioned? Why didn't Trump already do those things? Given his administration's disastrous response to COVID and continuing denial, how do you take him at his word?

If we set aside COVID, the first two years of his terms had a fully Republican Congress. If nothing changed then, realistically what do you expect to happen next?

By the way, when you start a conversation by insulting people, you're not really convincing anyone of your viewpoint. If anything, it demonstrates your sense superiority over others and a lack of emotional intelligence.

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China is acting like that global villainy country now. They problems with all it's neighbors, well even with a country which is separated by 100kms by sea (AUS). They're quite intelligently meddling in Nepal govt. to threaten India, at the same time taking over villages of Nepal. .They have problems with Mongols, Muslims, Tibetans, Hong Kong. All while actively debt trapping poor nations. They foul cry when a nation blocks chinese tech, but every foreign tech is pretty much banned in entire China!

I don't see any end to this. In the current COVID situation, not even a group of nations could stand up to china's domination. Maybe it's just too late to take any action. They're playing dirty, so ideally we should to. But could we? I doubt. They're lobbying power is way too tremendous. At least my country, no leader has a spine to stand up.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A few individuals buying less stuff isn't going to have much effect. We need something more like the west putting 50% tariffs on Chinese products so all the manufacturing starts moving to other countries. That would probably get their attention.

I'm sort of coming around to this perspective, but I think it's a bit rash. I'd like to see something along the lines of "tariffs go up 5% each year, and will be dropped to zero when China drops the GFC". I don't want huge economic disruption for China or the US, but a slow disentanglement. And a clear carrot that lets them know it's not personal, the CCP just has to let its citizens talk with the peoples it wants to…

There isn't a functional difference between a 5% tariff and a 50% tariff for most goods.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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China is acting like that global villainy country now. They problems with all it's neighbors, well even with a country which is separated by 100kms by sea (AUS). They're quite intelligently meddling in Nepal govt. to threaten India, at the same time taking over villages of Nepal. .They have problems with Mongols, Muslims, Tibetans, Hong Kong. All while actively debt trapping poor nations. They foul cry when a nation…

The world needs to stand up and fight evil like this. If you remain silent now, it will be you or your family in a concentration camp next.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Xi Jinping has a constituency and to a degree opaque to the West, that constituency provides his mandate. Discomfit the constituency, the princes and princelings, in their pockets, and that mandate might be withdrawn. That revolution will be messy, but it's needed.

Thanks for at least admitting the goal is regime change, same as for the "Arab spring" which has left much of that region as failed states. It's always amusing when people who cause the most misery in the world shout the loudest about human rights and such.

Scream for the blood of their enemies while calling them sinners. It’s as old as time.
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