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Ask HN: What are real-life useful use-cases for blockchain (not currencies)?

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Re: Ask HN: What are real-life useful use-cases for blockchain (not currencies)?

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post #19

Broadly speaking blockchain only solves a singular problem: Trust. If there is some work that needs to be done between parties and you don't trust the parties involved then you can use blockchain to do the work in a trust-less setting. This is why money has been the first and most prominent use case; people are less trusting with their own money. For a specific non-money potential use case of blockchain I would say i…

Only that? What about non-editable history?

Re: Ask HN: What are real-life useful use-cases for blockchain (not currencies)?

#82

Distributed non-repudiation; useful for inter-org or inter-political timestamping/handshaking and maybe even intention/confirmation registration. In can do some of the things you'd use a notary for.

In can do some of the things you'd use a notary for.

Or, just use an entirely conventional database, operated by the notary.

Re: Ask HN: What are real-life useful use-cases for blockchain (not currencies)?

#83

One good use case I've found is file authentication. If a file is signed and it can be matched against a distributed ledger, it can help ensure the authenticity of the file. I can imagine uses for this everywhere from piracy prevention to checking authenticity of documents, records, etc. Imagine that all land records are in a distributed ledger. The land owner has a signed certificate that can be verified anytime for…

Either if that passkey is forgotten no one can own the land anymore, or there is a central authority (court) that can reallocate land, at which point there is no need for the decentralized trust of a blockchain.

The central authority is useful in reaching disputes, but is not omniscient. Registration of deeds is a fairly inconsistent and non-centralized process. Still. So this record would be useful in the case of disputes.

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#84

Distributed non-repudiation; useful for inter-org or inter-political timestamping/handshaking and maybe even intention/confirmation registration. In can do some of the things you'd use a notary for.

In can do some of the things you'd use a notary for. Or, just use an entirely conventional database, operated by the notary.

Finding a notary trusted by all parties may prove an issue, especially in international contexts. A blockchain may be cheaper.

Re: Ask HN: What are real-life useful use-cases for blockchain (not currencies)?

#85
You can put the word in your corporate press release for a price pump. Lol. As blockchains are the worlds most expensive and slow databases, that also have silent bit-rot... You must run your own computer that verifies that what you've written stays written, and doesn't get forked away, and that it even wrote in the first place, as the block could be full or your 1st block you are "in" gets orphaned.

Thus, you must really, truly need censorship resistance to accept that sucktitude. So what are people censoring? Financial transaction, social media posts (but they must for moderation anyway.) Websites are also censored, which is layer down the stack from social posts, The low throughput of blockchains makes them inappropriate for this purpose. Probably also for the social posts as well. Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: What are real-life useful use-cases for blockchain (not currencies)?

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The timestamp of the photo. This way we know that the photos were taken before transport, and the state of the car when it's dropped off should match the state of the car at pickup.

Nothing proves that the timestamp accurately reflects when the photo was taken or that the photo itself is even accurate. If I wanted to joy-ride one of these cars I'd simply do so before taking the photo. The odometer display can also be trivially modified for the sake of a photo (i.e. roll back the odo for a photo and then revert to accurate numbers after the photo)

How do you undo any dents that may occur during a joyride though?

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#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In can do some of the things you'd use a notary for. Or, just use an entirely conventional database, operated by the notary.

Finding a notary trusted by all parties may prove an issue, especially in international contexts. A blockchain may be cheaper.

True, but it depends on the lifetime of the contract. A century-old family-run law firm in Liechtenstein has much less risk associated with it than any technical solution. TCO rather than upfront cost, in other words.

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#88
post #28

A general use case is where there's a group of agencies or a group of business partners who may be all reasonably trustworthy but they are in separate trust domains. It can be generally useful for all those entities to have access to a single source of truth that can't be altered without the alteration being obvious. You can do this by appointing someone as a trusted authority. But, in practice, this has overhead and…

If the group of agencies is relatively small, this can be done just fine by having all the entities sign each change in state, no need for blockchain.

(And if one of the agencies has the ability to acquire more computing power than the others are currently contributing to the blockchain - which is almost always true in this era of cloud computing - they can attack the blockchain just fine. Yes, it will be "obvious" in that it won't match anyone else's records, but the whole point here is that you're not trusting the majority's records, you're trusting the blockchain, right? Who is to say the majority are not lying?)

Re: Ask HN: What are real-life useful use-cases for blockchain (not currencies)?

#89
post #77

Proof of work solutions to byzantine fault tolerance are vulnerable to 51% attacks almost by definition, so if there's a value to the data it needs to be backed by a stronger economic incentive for "virtuous behavior". Doing this outside of money is problematic. The other option is private blockchains with limited, authenticated accounts, but then why not just use a timestamped db?

This. People keep wanting to strip the money from the technology in blockchain but, like many have stated: blockchain as a append only log is of little innovation or value if you have to rely on courts, lawyers and other humans outside of the technology to make it work

Re: Ask HN: What are real-life useful use-cases for blockchain (not currencies)?

#90
post #69

In the long-term, I think blockchains will make a major showing in the design of self-driving vehicles (SDVs). For SDVs to really take off, it needs to surpass the safety of a human driver but the only way to do this reliably in a way that avoids the high costs and ugly protrusion of roof-mounted LIDARs is for SDVs to use low-cost internal sensor inputs and fallback on low-cost external sensor outputs from nearby veh…

You need a mechanism to make sure that a particular vehicle is being trustworthy about what it adds to the blockchain. A malicious entity could just report that other vehicles were at fault.

One straightforward way to solve that is to say that only known car manufacturers may upload results and it must be signed by something that chains to the manufacturer's key - but at that point, you don't need a blockchain for this.

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