I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps • Hacker News Board

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by pozdnyshev » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 4:33 PM UTC

skeptictw wrote: post #40

Is there actually any proof of this account? This reads like propaganda designed to sucker both the left (torture, islamophobia) and right (communism and lack of religious freedom). Next article will talk about WMDs and blown up buddhist statues (stories which convinced both sides of the media to push for war in iraq and afghanistan).

It very much reads like propaganda.

>“The Chinese government calls [them] re-education camps. Actually there are no re-education camps - all are concentration camps,” he says.

There ARE re-education camps (obviously). It is easy to find footage of these online (though not without ominous non-diagetic music in the background).

The detention centers at the borders in the US where migrant children are put in cages without beds, toothbrushes, and discouraged from even speaking with each other sound much more like concentration camps.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by iaw » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 4:35 PM UTC

temp_00ahn wrote: post #46

mixedbit wrote: post #42

Why 39 minutes old submission with 148 up-votes is ranked 13th on the HN front page? The first entry at this moment is a 41 minutes old submission with 43 points, the 2nd entry is 59 minutes old with 35 points. Is this because this post is heavily flagged?

censorship is going on in the comments too

There are three competing philosophies in this thread: 1) This is because of communism 2) China is being reasonable 3) This is a crime, what can we do?

1 & 2 are diametrically opposed and downvoting each other whereas 3 gets attacked for being moderate.

Calling it censorship is fine but do recognize that it's because your opinion is take poorly more often than not within this thread.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by gentleman11 » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 4:36 PM UTC

temp_00ahn wrote: post #46

mixedbit wrote: post #42

Why 39 minutes old submission with 148 up-votes is ranked 13th on the HN front page? The first entry at this moment is a 41 minutes old submission with 43 points, the 2nd entry is 59 minutes old with 35 points. Is this because this post is heavily flagged?

censorship is going on in the comments too

There are several low karma posters (3-4 first time posters) in this thread though, so at minimum it’s encouraging people who rarely participate to join in, which probably seems odd

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by nendroid » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 4:36 PM UTC

iaw wrote: post #47

nendroid wrote: post #37

This is horrible. No doubt this is an allergic immune response to terrorism. The actions here on a different level than what's going on in Hong Kong, possibly because of this: "In July 2009, riots broke out in Xinjiang in response to a violent dispute between Uyghur and Han Chinese workers in a factory and result in over 100 deaths. Following the riots, Uyghur radicals killed dozens of Chinese citizens in coordinated…

> The question is, is a successful quelling of all terrorism worth crossing the line? > Keep in mind the United States likely killed and harmed much more innocent bystanders with its' own allergic immune response to 9/11. It just didn't happen on our soil. We've crossed the line in the past as well. Crossing the line while fighting terrorism was not an acceptable action by the USA but I think it's a false equivalency…

>Crossing the line while fighting terrorism was not an acceptable action by the USA but I think it's a false equivalency to compare it to forced internment, torture, and reeducation of an entire population.

I think it's a fair comparison. The amount of innocent bystanders killed by the the US military will be much more than what happens in concentration camps.

The difference is the wording. War sounds not as bad as re-education and concentration camps. This is because you're use to it. Change the word from war to slaughter, because that is what war is.. slaughter. It's not even an exaggeration... if you've ever seen a bomb or a bullet massacre a human being into a bloody mess, slaughter is a very appropriate word.

When you change the word you'll realize that war and re-education live on relatively the same level of extremism. Perhaps war is even worse than re-education or concentration camps.

The US slaughtered many soldiers and innocent bystanders in Iraq and afghanistan to end terrorism. The Chinese tortured and re-educated many people to end terrorism.

Which is worse?

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by hermitcrab » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 4:37 PM UTC

Genocide is clearly not an acceptable or proportionate response to a few terrorist acts by Muslim separatists.

I, for one, do not welcome our new Chinese overlords. The West needs to stop staring at it's collective navels and get it's shit together, so we can push back at abhorrent abuses like this.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by apexkid » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 4:37 PM UTC

China should be immediately stripped off its veto rights in United Nations. Such genocide should not be accepted by the world just because someone has money.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by emteycz » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 4:37 PM UTC

iaw wrote: post #30

bigpumpkin wrote: post #24

I'm curious why this man was denied a US visa in 2018 despite an invitation from Congress to speak about his experience. [1] [1] https://apnews.com/article/dc4062529014451e914ab361b3987afd

My guess would be politics. Congress in the US is democratically controlled while the Senate and Presidency are republican controlled. The current administration is fairly anti-Muslim and has ignored the Uighar issues entirely, the current administration likely told the State Department not to issue the visa.

What, visas are determined by politicians? Wow. That's like no rule of law at all!

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by literallycancer » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 4:40 PM UTC

apexkid wrote: post #56

China should be immediately stripped off its veto rights in United Nations. Such genocide should not be accepted by the world just because someone has money.

That's not how UN works.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by ak39 » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 4:41 PM UTC

Criticizing the Chinese government's actions for their treatment of the Uighurs will invite state-sponsored "cancel culture" - not just from China but also from the western democratic nations that acquiesce to Chinese whims. This is incredible - look at the life of the professional football player Ozil who was effectively forced to leave Arsenal for his comments on this very subject.

Criticizing China should NOT be censored. (There's another country that also invites this type of cancel culture trolls whenever someone objects the policies of that country. You can guess.)

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by bpsh » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 4:41 PM UTC

iaw wrote: post #30

bigpumpkin wrote: post #24

I'm curious why this man was denied a US visa in 2018 despite an invitation from Congress to speak about his experience. [1] [1] https://apnews.com/article/dc4062529014451e914ab361b3987afd

My guess would be politics. Congress in the US is democratically controlled while the Senate and Presidency are republican controlled. The current administration is fairly anti-Muslim and has ignored the Uighar issues entirely, the current administration likely told the State Department not to issue the visa.

Why can't you just say you don't know...