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Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by ehsankia »

runawaybottle wrote: post #237
ehsankia wrote: post #185

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Rewrites are warranted, but rebranded every time you rewrite is not. Being able to replace core components while keeping the same brand and feature set is what takes real effort. Throwing everything out and making a completely different app with is imo a bit lazy and bad for the user. If you truly must change things, gradual piece by piece changes is far prefered than complete 100% replacements like GPM -> YTM. If th…

I don’t think Google set up a predictable product iteration unveiling structure. One day I expect to see the PlayStation 6 for example, and one day I expect to see an update to the MacBook, and so on. One day, do I expect to see an unveiling of a new Gmail UI? None of it is predictable because it feels like they do some serious a/b tests and just silently roll stuff out. They lack a structured presentation timeline.…

Your two examples at the top are both hardware, those work very differently. Websites used to do massive updates, but many have learned that it just leads to a lot of angry users. Slowly updating one component at a time works much better in my experience, and it's far less change for the user to adapt to at once.

Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by ehsankia »

onion2k wrote: post #214
ehsankia wrote: post #179

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Even if could only get music, I still don't want meme songs like Gangnam Style and What does the Fox say as actual songs I listen to.

I'm curious to know what you think should happen to those. They are songs after all, and some people liked them because they actually do like them as songs, so how would Google determine what reason you liked them for? Are you suggesting Google shouldn't bring likes for certain songs over to YT music because you liked them 'as memes' rather than as music?

I don't want the option to completely separate my YTM likes from Youtube likes. I would much rather have to re-like a song again on YTM than have random videos show up on YTM. I don't want any of my Youtube content to be transfered.

If you think of it, before when I was on GPM, I didn't have any of my Youtube content and I was perfectly fine. So I'm not sure why I need any of it now.

Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by IanCal »

kyrra wrote: post #14
ozmbie wrote: post #6

How is it that Google create/rebrand/close so many music and chat services over the years. While Apple have a single message service (iMessage) and a single music service (Apple Music) that have been consistently branded with constant growth and show no signs of being shut down? As a consumer I have no idea what’s going on with some areas of Google’s products. It’s a major turn off.

(Googler, opinions are my own) Agreed that it is annoying, but its interesting to look back at how we got here. Google Play Music (GPM) launched in 2011. To get music on here, I'm guessing that team had to sign contracts with the various publishers and record studios. The onboarding and licensing terms of those were likely entirely around this music streaming service. Then you have Youtube. It's been a video hub for…

> Plus, YTM lets you do background music or videos, which is not something you could ever really do with GPM.

I'm sorry, what? Are you saying that Google play music would only play music if in the foreground? That's flat out wrong.

Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by IanCal »

Great, I can't uninstall it because it came preloaded (thanks Google) and now I won't be able to use it.

Edit - boy looking forward to this experience. Open the app - CTA for a trial, close it, screen changes, same CTA comes up again. Oh just played a song and had an advert and another premium sign-up thing come up.

Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by homero »

moomin wrote: post #255
homero wrote: post #253

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Anyone using Stadia is risking all their game purchases getting lost when it shuts down.

The thing is: this isn’t even a fringe viewpoint. It’s pretty obvious that people are avoiding it at least in part because it’s from Google, and Google are never in it for the long haul. They’re already getting proved right, as well, Stadia’s getting barely any updates or new games, no exclusives worth the candle. It’s really just a matter of time.

I'm using Nvidia geforce now because it uses my steam who I trust. Stadia should've used steam. Why even build a store that will just shutdown?

Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by Xelbair »

homero wrote: post #253
echelon wrote: post #217

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Figures it doesn't work. They don't care. To every Google employee reading this: your company sucks. Tell that to your manager. With the exception of Youtube, I will never use Google entertainment products again. No Stadia, no Google Play Movies. I don't know what their vision is for product, but whatever it is subtracts from the world. I was worried a decade ago when I saw music moving into the cloud. Now my fears a…

Anyone using Stadia is risking all their game purchases getting lost when it shuts down.

are there even people using stadia?

I'm not even talking about technical barriers(latency) - but the fact that they have both monthly sub and you have to pay for titles.

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Post by schrijver »

gfxgirl wrote: post #259
ohazi wrote: post #146

I am so fucking glad I never stopped buying my music on CDs and ripping the tracks like a caveman. Why is it considered reasonable to rely on services and companies that we know we're going to outlive?

I agree with to you a point but how am I supposed to find new music to buy without some kind of radio/recommendation system. FM radio certainly doesn't play the type of music I like. I'm thinking I'll buy some of the songs I had marked in Google Play Music. I'm not sure I'll buy all of them or even if I can. Also I haven't owned a CD player that connects to a computer in 7 years. Even the gamer PC I just built 2 mont…

> but how am I supposed to find new music to buy without some kind of radio/recommendation system

You can do both; use Spotify / Youtube whatever to find new songs, and then buy your own copy if you find something you like.

> Also I haven't owned a CD player that connects to a computer in 7 years. Even the gamer PC I just built 2 months ago I didn't put a drive in it.

Personally I no longer buy CD’s, I buy files on Bandcamp etc., but with the exception of the artwork most of the advantages are the same. And the songs synchronise with your tablet, your phone and will always be there without internet connection. I have a Spotify enabled DJ-app, and that integration stopped working recently, which was inconvenient, but really not a big deal because I have the files for my core library.

> I'm thinking I'll buy some of the songs I had marked in Google Play Music. I'm not sure I'll buy all of them or even if I can.

That’s a great idea. It’s true that you won’t find everything. But in between Bandcamp (lossless and big cut to artists), Qobuz (lossless and more major labels) and the iTunes Store (high quality AAC, cheap) a lot more is available than before, and DRM free. A much better situation than with video, for example.

Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by 3np »

nickcox wrote: post #234
3np wrote: post #144

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> shorter shelf-life than a bottle of ketchup You know, that doesn’t really work, because ketchup lasts for ages

If you don't like ketchup, I guess.

Maybe the reference wasn't obvious :)

https://youtu.be/3LYwrvSFrms?t=116

(Wouldn't it be funny if this link caused a DMCA)

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