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YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Post by sterlind »

stingraycharles wrote: post #283
larrik wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that copyrighted works were included in the readme shows it was intended for that use, and the RIAA complaint will likely stand up to any legal scrutiny. Just because it can be used for legit purposes too won't matter in the slightest. I mean, Napster could have been used for legal means as well, and it got destroyed in court. The only chance tools like this have legally is when infringement is an "unintende…

Just to add a data point, but back when I still was working for a video distribution startup, we offered our customers the ability to directly import their video inventory from YouTube. They were the owners of the videos, it was just a convenient (and very popular!) feature for them to let us handle this import. We used YouTube-dl for this, of course. No way we could have done this easily without it. We imported hund…

As another data point, I used youtube-dl to download thousands of videos that were part of a cipher puzzle. It would have been infeasible without it.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Post by dredmorbius »

gorbachev wrote: post #77
shmerl wrote: post #12

They should have counter claimed this nonsense instead of taking down the repo. RIAA is an abusive troll.

Github is obligated to take down the "offending" content as soon as they receive a DMCA notice. It's then on the owner of that content to file a counter claim to restore it. Even if the content is not in violation of DMCA, your files will be gone for a day or two, or longer depending on how slow the publishing platform operators are to process the counter claim and how long it takes to file the counter claim.

In a 512 case, yes. The safe-harbour provisions don't apply to 1201.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Post by Alex3917 »

larrik wrote: post #105
jchw wrote: post #4

Note that RIAA is making this takedown because the software CAN be used to download copyrighted music and videos, and it uses examples in the ~~README~~(unit tests, see correction[1]) as an example of that: > We also note that the source code prominently includes as sample uses of the source code the downloading of copies of our members’ copyrighted sound recordings and music videos, as noted in Exhibit A hereto. For…

The fact that copyrighted works were included in the readme shows it was intended for that use, and the RIAA complaint will likely stand up to any legal scrutiny. Just because it can be used for legit purposes too won't matter in the slightest. I mean, Napster could have been used for legal means as well, and it got destroyed in court. The only chance tools like this have legally is when infringement is an "unintende…

> The fact that copyrighted works were included in the readme shows it was intended for that use, and the RIAA complaint will likely stand up to any legal scrutiny.

This. FWIW Grokster is the relevant case law here, not Napster:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM_Studios,_Inc._v._Grokster,....

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Post by dredmorbius »

trhway wrote: post #244

can RIAA be hit back? - to me it looks like the RIAA actions to take down software intimidate the authors of the software and obstructs the authors from exercising and enjoying of the copyright of their software.

Microsoft are in a strategically very interesting position, one which could render the RIAA's actions suicidal.

Microsoft could pursue alternative copyright or music regimes which undermine the RIAA's stranglehold. Notably, the Microsoft Store online marketplace dropped books and music in 2017 (https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47810367), meaning the RIAA has minimal leverage here. At the same time, an unencumbered alternative could provide an opening against two of Microsoft's biggest rivals, Apple (music), and Amazon (books). Possibly Google (both, plus, obv., video) and Netflix (video) as well. A large-corporate-backed Creative Commons media service would be a game-changer.

https://tildes.net/~tech/suf/youtube_dls_github_repository_h...

Microsoft claim to have staked their future on Free Software.

https://www.idginsiderpro.com/article/3584911/how-microsoft-...

How believable this is can be argued, of course.

The company paid $7.4 billion for GitHub in 2018, a $5.4 billion premium over the service's 2015 valuation.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/26/17954714/microsoft-githu...

https://fortune.com/2015/07/29/github-raises-250-million-in-...

https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/105087121976979704

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Post by ijcd »

The extractors directory had 765 extractors in it, only one of which is YouTube. The facts seem cherry-picked to support their case (well duh). Hopefully that will matter. Given that youtube is a tenth of a percent of the extractors maybe there's hope.

FWIW, it's easy to find the code on Google. The release tarballs have the format youtube-dl-YYYY.MM.DD.tar.gz and one can look in the Homebrew Cellar, for example and see there was a release on 2020.09.20. ;)

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Post by amatecha »

Considering YouTube allows Creative-Commons licensed videos[0], how exactly do they suggest we "reuse and edit" videos, as per their own documentation? I'm not seeing any "Download video" button on a CC-licensed video's page, so... am I missing something here, or is one not forced to use a 3rd-party video download utility like youtube-dl to actually "reuse and edit" a CC-licensed video?

[0] https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2797468?hl=en

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