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Permanently remote workers seen doubling in 2021 due to pandemic productivity

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Re: Permanently remote workers seen doubling in 2021 due to pandemic productivity

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The solution to the home-work separation, which also has potential to improve mental and physical health, is to go for a 20 minute brisk walk at start and end of the work-day.

That's about as helpful as telling someone with depression to "just be happy."

They literally recommended something simple and physical that almost any person could do.

Re: Permanently remote workers seen doubling in 2021 due to pandemic productivity

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Personally I feel the push for the right to work from home without being treated as a second class citizen is more important and will do more for society than policies such as raising the minimum wage.

If you can work from home, you are now competing with the entire global labor force for your job. Expect your salary to go down as a result, since you are now much more replaceable.

This depends on your experience level and the position. In my experience on the senior end it doesn't mean pay goes down, it means getting the job is much more competitive.

Some positions, such as junior dev, may have reduced pay since there are millions of international lower skilled devs.

Re: Permanently remote workers seen doubling in 2021 due to pandemic productivity

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> being harder to control how much we work at home I find this really hard to relate to though, I know the lines do get blurred and overworking by a bit is easier (personally, I maybe close the lid at 6:10pm rather than 5:59pm), but I can't see how (in any non-toxic work environment) the boundaries can get so blurred in such a short space of time to extend the working hours in a day by 25%. If it was perfectly accept…

> If it was perfectly acceptable to log off at 6pm when you were in the office, I don't see how it's "the fault" of homeworking that's pushing that to 7pm. Likewise - if you were in the office for 9am, why log on at 8am at home? One of the reasons which is strong at the moment is legitimately fear of losing your job, losing other work, being demoted or at least stuck, and that you're not being judged on vague presenc…

I completely get all of those points - however almost all of them aren't really exclusive to homeworking. It exacerbates them, for sure, but all are based on underlying presenteeism and imposter syndrome.

Most would be present were you in a regional office and "corporate" were calling the shots, or your manager's manager is in your New York office and doesn't see what their skip levels are doing locally.

A lot of them are even present when your desk is only a row over from the rest of your colleagues, and you're at a tangent with the flow them.

The problem here isn't so much working from home, it's going from visibility to non-visibility. Open plan offices to, essentially, private offices. These feelings would begin to manifest themselves if they simply rejigged the office design, and mitigating and building resilience of this is needed whether in the office or otherwise.

That being said, having children at home is hard. And a lack of appreciation of the impacts of those I feel falls under my point about toxic environments.

Re: Permanently remote workers seen doubling in 2021 due to pandemic productivity

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Companies usually have budget for setting up remote workers and IME are happy to pay for work spaces.

Developer for a major hospital that's not in a tech hub. An executive suite got trashed, so we got a used chair ($25 donation to one of our company charities "suggested"), and that was it. If we need more WFH gear than that, then we are told we can go work in our limited remaining office space. I personally want more free WFH gear, but I think our execs are clever. "Oh, you don't have a desk? Nobody is in the office,…

I'd hope that stance would shift if they didn't see it as a temporary thing. My experience has only been with remote positions where there is no office to attend.

Re: Permanently remote workers seen doubling in 2021 due to pandemic productivity

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I mean, permanent remote is also not great (particularly in a context where there are no offices), because for people in my living situation that puts the onus on us to find our "work" zone. I'd rather not spend extra money on more real estate or a WeWork-type membership. I just don't find it very surprising that ~60-70% of people don't particularly like permanent remote, since it's 1. a departure from the norm and 2…

The work office is not the only way to have an office. In these times, I'm renting a small one person private office a few minutes away (by bike) from home. It's the best of all worlds. Quiet space to work, it is outside of the house for separation, but very close so the commute is minimal on a bike and don't need to drive. I don't love having to pay for the space but objectively it is less than the cost of fuel I wa…

I see this solution becoming more common as remote work increases in prevalence.

Re: Permanently remote workers seen doubling in 2021 due to pandemic productivity

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I mean, permanent remote is also not great (particularly in a context where there are no offices), because for people in my living situation that puts the onus on us to find our "work" zone. I'd rather not spend extra money on more real estate or a WeWork-type membership. I just don't find it very surprising that ~60-70% of people don't particularly like permanent remote, since it's 1. a departure from the norm and 2…

The solution to the home-work separation, which also has potential to improve mental and physical health, is to go for a 20 minute brisk walk at start and end of the work-day.

My kid is in day care, so I get that separation by dropping her off and picking her up. (Fortunately day care is close to my home, not to my office!)

Re: Permanently remote workers seen doubling in 2021 due to pandemic productivity

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We absolutely should not be measuring WFH productivity right now. There are way too many variables to consider at this point. Because it's new for a lot of people, and because of the lockdowns, there seem to be a lot of issues with overwork. I absolutely love WFH, and I've been doing for quite a long time, but I feel pretty confident that we are going to see a bunch of companies claim to go fully WFH, and they backpedal in a year or two. Hopefully not, but if the expectations are wrong, these companies are settings themselves up for failure from the start.

Re: Permanently remote workers seen doubling in 2021 due to pandemic productivity

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We absolutely should not be measuring WFH productivity right now. There are way too many variables to consider at this point. Because it's new for a lot of people, and because of the lockdowns, there seem to be a lot of issues with overwork. I absolutely love WFH, and I've been doing for quite a long time, but I feel pretty confident that we are going to see a bunch of companies claim to go fully WFH, and they backpe…

Just anecdata, but I've been doing full WFH for my company for the past 2.5 years. If anything my productivity has gone down because of the stress of the pandemic, not up because of more hours (which I worked more hours WFH before the pandemic also).

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And who pays for that? For many remote work involves less take home pay.

Employees who adjust to the change and moved out of the high cost of living area. An example from my own circumstances, I was paying $1800/month for a 1 bedroom in Toronto but now for a little bit less I have a 3 bedroom house with a small yard.

And we are seeing some employers adjust pay to location now too. In the end you are also subsidizing the office out of square footage in your home, and reaping none of the benefits such as socializing with people.

Re: Permanently remote workers seen doubling in 2021 due to pandemic productivity

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And who pays for that? For many remote work involves less take home pay.

Companies usually have budget for setting up remote workers and IME are happy to pay for work spaces.

No employer is going to hand me another $400 a month because I need an apartment with another bedroom to serve as the office.
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