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You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by Theodores »

jeffbee wrote: post #167
hardwaresofton wrote: post #166

https://www.gimp.org https://krita.org/en If you donate anything near what you would have paid for Adobe, then these projects will be awash in resources.

That's a really interesting assertion. I have a feeling you could throw arbitrary amount of money at GIMP and it will still be almost useless.

By 'almost useless' you mean 'almost useless to someone expecting an open source clone of the leading proprietary software'.

We all too often look at open source software and think of it as a clone of an 'equivalent'. Journalists and others lead us to believe that the likes of the GIMP team are striving to create a clone of Photoshop, or that the Inkscape team are striving to create a version of Illustrator or that the OpenOffice team are playing catchup with Microsoft Office.

If you are a developer with basic image manipulation needs and some specific needs such as being able to save files to a specific colour depth in a specific format, then GIMP is what you want. Admittedly you are not going to be able to do the things a designer does in Photoshop but that is not the point.

Same with OpenOffice Calc, it is a spreadsheet program but not a clone of Excel. It has a different demographic of users, some of whom would consider Excel to be the wrong tool as it magically autocorrects and thinks it knows best, with an interface that obfuscates important (to the programmer) details file save options.

Inkscape - the alleged open source clone of Illustrator is not that at all. It is an editor for SVG files and is a better tool than Illustrator for that specific task of creating optimised SVG files. You can do some design with it too, but it has technical applications and a user base that prefer it because it caters to their needs.

Some people that are used to the market leading software come with preconceptions about what free and open source software is about and how the user interfaces should be improved. Meanwhile, long time users of the open source software, can be mightily relieved that their chosen software is different to what the majority thinks is better.

Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by tn1 »

porker wrote: post #254
prox wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched to Affinity completely, and I also slowly see some people in the industry change. And for video, DaVinci Resolve. There might be cases were you’re tied to CS, but the bulk of the work can be done in these apps.

What about a replacement for Adobe Acrobat Pro on (Windows)? That is the one app that keeps me having a Creative Cloud subscription. In a business setting I find it essential.

Based on your feature request list, all but the form creation (iirc) is handled well by PDF-XChange by Tracker Software. It's a one time purchase + optional maintenance upgrade model.

Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by Silhouette »

laurentb wrote: post #270
porker wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about a replacement for Adobe Acrobat Pro on (Windows)? That is the one app that keeps me having a Creative Cloud subscription. In a business setting I find it essential.

have you looked at foxitPDF ? this is a comparison table from Foxit's site against Acrobat Pro: https://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf-editor/adobe-acrobat-alter... (not associated with Foxit in any way shape or form nor a user)

Be careful with Foxit software, though. They have a history of doing some very unsavoury things. Their Wikipedia page has some details for those interested.

Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by flyinghamster »

rubyfan wrote: post #72

This is a fundamental problem with commercial software. 15 years ago when this software was released the choice to have server authentication essentially was the original sin.

See also, Windows and activation. Adding that to XP was where Microsoft began to boil the frog, and now they're slowly doing to Office what Adobe did to CS.

Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by Silhouette »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #145
StillBored wrote: post #138

I've been a firm believer that copyrights should expire when the item isn't commercially available anymore. And to keep people from abusing the obvious issues, it needs to be available at a reasonable cost relative to its price when originally released, or the copyright renewal needs to have an exponentially growing fee. I've also been considering what it means if copyright was to assure something for the public good…

It's outrageous that copyright protection applies to DRM-encumbered material. Simply outrageous. Copyright is supposed to be a bargain with the public domain, and DRM explicitly renounces that bargain. This is a great example to point to... but as usual, nobody cares who has any power to change things, and nobody with any power cares.

As ever, this would be a more compelling argument if the state that granted copyright protections also provided meaningful enforcement. Setting copyright up in a way that often makes it prohibitively expensive to enforce through legal means and then objecting when the rights holders attempt to protect their investments through technological measures feels a little hypocritical.

Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

porker wrote: post #254
prox wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched to Affinity completely, and I also slowly see some people in the industry change. And for video, DaVinci Resolve. There might be cases were you’re tied to CS, but the bulk of the work can be done in these apps.

What about a replacement for Adobe Acrobat Pro on (Windows)? That is the one app that keeps me having a Creative Cloud subscription. In a business setting I find it essential.

The OCR is what keeps me in Acrobat camp, too. And very sadly since this company is outright customer-hostile and the software is absurdly expensive.

I've been trying tesseract but find it lacking -- need a better shape/text/picture region recognition (people are working on it these days), and something which puts it back in tagged PDF form. I also want to try whatever Nuance/OmniSoft is selling these days since I used to be a OmniPage customer before.

Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by int_19h »

perryizgr8 wrote: post #173
firefoxd wrote: post #100

It's 2020, the ipad is 10 years old. It was a revolutionary product. Some people stood in line for hours to be the first to own it. Well that reminds me, i do own one! Get it out of the closet and ah, the battery is depleted. Who expects it to hold charge after... 8 years? I don't have a cable either. I have lightning though, even usb-c. But nope, it's the old 30 pin charger. Order it online. Still works! Except, I h…

I dug out my old Palm Visor Platinum (released in 2000) a few months ago. Works perfectly. I was even able to find a large collection of apps and transfer to it using the handspring sync program which runs ok in compatibility mode on Win10. It uses AAA cells so battery is never a problem. I really wish we could go back to standard replaceable batteries for phones and laptops :( Amazing what we can do if we don't arti…

I recently got a Palm m125, brand new in box, from eBay, for tinkering purposes.

The biggest hassle was setting up sync with the desktop, because that requires their app and drivers. But even that was ultimately a solvable problem on Win10.

But the old Palm apps install and work just fine, if you can find them. A more annoying problem is that a lot of them were shareware, and authors have long since moved on. But even with what's free, it's a handy little device; I can't think of many other AAA-powered gadgets that are capable of compiling C apps for themselves!

As far as battery life goes, I'll just quote one Amazon review from 2001:

> Another negative feature with this specific model is the poor battery life. The m125 requires 2 AAA batteries (included), however they only last aprox. 2.5 weeks under normal use (compared to the 1-2 months of the m105 and most other PDA's).

Sigh.

Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by mcv »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #245
savant_penguin wrote: post #54

Just swap "Adobe cs2" for a car so it gets a lot funnier >>Sir, you are no longer allowed to use your car >But I paid for it! It's my car! >>Our aging servers had to be retired >Can't you just turn off the checking so it won't cost you anything and I can keep using my car? >>No sir, without the checking people would start pirating the car > But you don't even sell this car anymore! So much so you don't even want to k…

The car manufacturers do it by stopping selling parts. That's OK when it's easy for a 3rd party to fill in the gaps but I do wonder how this will pan out with modern EV's.

Yeah, parts don't work for that reason. But cars are increasingly dependent on software, and they can use that. John Deere and farmers wanting but unable to repair their own tractors have been mentioned on HN a couple of times.

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Post by ShinTakuya »

mcv wrote: post #292
ShinTakuya wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if Adobe were that generous, I'd argue the situation is different. All Adobe product releases are just evolutions of the same fundamental products, meaning making a previous version free diminishes the value of the newest version. For game developers, removing DRM can drive sales for the sequel since most games have a story and players want to see what happens next.

Knowing that they will stop working in a couple of years also devalues them. Seriously, a patch to remove DRM for those who are unable or unwilling to upgrade. A company that can be trusted to deliver that patch will have a more valuable product because customers know they will not lose access to it.

Yeah that's a fair point in the other direction. But I guess to some extent when you have a de-facto monopoly on a market it doesn't matter what you do to your customers, most of them will buy your new subscription model anyway out of necessity.

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Post by jtvjan »

pidg wrote: post #285
qwerty456127 wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a reliable way to view flash files without a browser then? I'm concerned about loosing the ability to occasionally view some flash (games etc) after Chrome removes Flash support this december. And people (I have quite a number of friends who do) already have to use old Windows systems with Internet Explorer to use the Flash app to apply to the US DV lottery (Chrome just offers to save it instead of running i…

Flash Player works as a standalone app iirc. https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/

Specifically, you need to get the "projector" from this page: https://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/debug_downloads.ht...
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