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You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by kristopolous »

noobermin wrote: post #234
kristopolous wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* Legacy software - unsupported, $0 * security and the constant upgrades - unsupported, $0 * a manager - unsupported, $0 * HR - unsupported, $0 * customer support - unsupported, $0 * Training your all your call centres to know about it and who to re-direct issues to - unsupported, $0 all non-issues. Adobe is intentionally breaking the software. Those arguments are like saying an Apple ][ shouldn't be able to run "The…

What lesson? With the consildation of youtube and twitter and them now being the arbiters (with a nice backdoor to rights holders) they won.

Early on (15-25 years ago) they didn't really have streaming or digitally deliverable product (pre itunes) and instead hauled people off to court for consuming music in any way that wasn't a pile of $20 plastic discs bought at the local megamall.

Instead of reasonable digital streaming solutions groups like the MPAA made things like the DIVX format which were disposable discs that expired. The commercial DVDs had long unskippable copyright warnings and unskippable ads, an inability to play the content on linux or other open source players, etc.

Then there was the DeCSS fiasco; there was a master encryption key that they called their private IP and used legislation called the DMCA to enforce it. 2600 magazine, a monthly alternative culture computing magazine, published the key and were sued by universal studios, paramount pictures, metro-goldwyn-mayer, tristar pictures, columbia pictures, time warner entertainment company, disney enterprises, and twentieth century fox, for printing a number (https://www.theregister.com/2002/07/04/2600_withdraws_suprem...)

These organizations eventually learned the lessons and won, so you are correct. but it was years of bogus outlandish lawsuits (suing old ladies for millions, sometimes because neighbors used their unprotected WiFi - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_group_efforts_against_...), technology fiascoes and incredulous legislation that made them the laughing stock of the world before they got their act together.

There was a time in the mid 2000s when ignoring copyright was the sensible and reasonable moral action given the outrageous "sue everybody without regrets" strategy of the RIAA.

Lessons

1. Offer products to your customers in ways they want to consume them.

2. Don't criminalize your customers for your lack of doing #1

Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by porker »

gogopuppygogo wrote: post #240

I found this week that Adobe Fireworks CS6 no longer activates with a Creative Cloud subscription. I’ve been a Creative Cloud customer since launch but now have to crack my copy of Adobe Fireworks CS6 to use it. Horrific thought for me since I hate using hacks to run software (who the hell really knows what is in there) but I can’t find another way to use it legally (no one has a copy for sale second hand). I’d switc…

Oh that's rubbish to hear.

I started out using Fireworks in 2003(?) when I bought Macromedia Studio, and find it's still faster for me to use than Photoshop for a handful of tasks. And the way its layers work has always been more intuitive than Photoshop to me.

So this sucks, as it's the one app I wouldn't want to let go of until I can find something to replace it. I suspect Sketch would, but I'm a Windows user.

Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by netsharc »

aaron695 wrote: post #162
potency wrote: post #128

> The aging activation servers for those apps had to be retired. Oh come on. Surely a company with the resources of Adobe can figure out a way to keep an activation server running. In fact I'll bet you could find one competent sysadmin to keep it running indefinitely. I hate when companies spew out obvious utter B.S. like this.

What would you think it would cost per year? What $ amount? What would be the break down? Legacy software, security and the constant upgrades, a manager, HR, customer support. Training your all your call centres to know about it and who to re-direct issues to.

How complicated would the software be. They can probably write it as 1 function and throw it into a serverless instance...

Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by porker »

prox wrote: post #191
interestica wrote: post #76

I seriously think this was the last straw for Adobe and I. I just wanted to install an older version of an app (that I've paid for!) on an older computer. I've literally spent thousands of dollars on software that I can no longer use for no reason other than that they will no longer allow me to. The worst part seems to be that they've just killed links and information about this - so you have people presuming they ca…

I switched to Affinity completely, and I also slowly see some people in the industry change. And for video, DaVinci Resolve. There might be cases were you’re tied to CS, but the bulk of the work can be done in these apps.

What about a replacement for Adobe Acrobat Pro on (Windows)?

That is the one app that keeps me having a Creative Cloud subscription. In a business setting I find it essential.

Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by aaron695 »

netsharc wrote: post #253
aaron695 wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would you think it would cost per year? What $ amount? What would be the break down? Legacy software, security and the constant upgrades, a manager, HR, customer support. Training your all your call centres to know about it and who to re-direct issues to.

How complicated would the software be. They can probably write it as 1 function and throw it into a serverless instance...

That's not a $ amount.

How much would you tell your manager?

Someone hacks your server and gets into Adobe with ransomware because it's not managed properly, next week you'd be complaining about how stupid Adobe is.

Are you storing client names on this server?

Can it be DDOSed?

It will have to pass audits.

Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by kazinator »

vr46 wrote: post #248
interestica wrote: post #76

I seriously think this was the last straw for Adobe and I. I just wanted to install an older version of an app (that I've paid for!) on an older computer. I've literally spent thousands of dollars on software that I can no longer use for no reason other than that they will no longer allow me to. The worst part seems to be that they've just killed links and information about this - so you have people presuming they ca…

I have officially given up on Adobe after 28 years, too. Even with the new features in Potatochop/Lightroom on image protection. I can't run my old software, or I can't obtain my old software, and CC is just a shitshow of processes permanently running and sucking up battery power. DaVinci Resolve is amazing. I'm becoming better and better with GIMP. CaptureOne is crappier to use but has much better output. Lightroom…

Google Chrome is giving up on Adobe Flash. Says it will be unsupported after Dec 2020.

Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by hardwaresofton »

hardwaresofton wrote: post #166

https://www.gimp.org https://krita.org/en If you donate anything near what you would have paid for Adobe, then these projects will be awash in resources.

Also just to put my money where my mouth is, I've donated to both of these just now. Nothing crazy or generous -- only $50/€50, but every little bit counts.

How do you know I actually donated? Well Krita emailed me a donation # but I'm not sure if that's persionally identifying or not, but if you really care email me and I'll share that with you, or screenshots of my paypal statement bill or something.

Oh also totally overlooked (can't edit now) Inkscape, which I personally know I've used in the last year, same amount:

https://inkscape.org/support-us/donate/

For those who don't have money to spare, donating time or speaking well of these programs and increasing their adoption are just fine as contributions (at least I think so, maybe others might disagree).

[EDIT] - If you don't have money but you have time and expertise to contribute a translation/pull request/etc that's actually worth even more than the money you could give and it would pay off repeatedly, forever. I've actually done the bare minimum by giving money since I know contributing a code fix or feature implementation/etc would be way more valuable.

Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by open-source-ux »

If you're looking for a low-cost alternative to Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator or InDesign, take a look at the Affinity suite of apps. Although they don't match Adobe apps feature-by-feature, they are professional grade apps with a lot of features. They are cross-platform (Mac and Windows) and they even have iPad versions of the Designer and Photo apps. The Affinity apps are not based on an online subscription model.

The Affinity Spotlight website showcases what people are using the apps for and the type of content they are creating:

https://affinityspotlight.com/

I have all the Affinity apps and don't miss Adobe one bit, but the Affinity apps are a bit clunkly in their UI (but far less clunky than Adobe's apps).

After Effects (AE) is the only Adobe app that has no real rival. A new motion and animation app called Cavalry recently launched but it's far too early to see if it can rival AE. It also uses an online subscription model (https://cavalry.scenegroup.co/).

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