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Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

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Re: Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

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Post by jaywalk »

exolymph wrote: post #83
wavefunction wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I upvoted you because you merely posted your opinion, with which I agree. His actions did result in loss of trust in the US from foreign governments and people but I think his main intent was to alert the American people to what their government is doing. I consider him a patriot and my only regret is that he was trapped in Russia though I'm not sure his plans to travel to South America would have panned out.

> I upvoted you because you merely posted your opinion, with which I agree. Shocker, upvoting someone you agree with!

I just upvoted you because I am also shocked by the action of upvoting someone you agree with.

Re: Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

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Post by vmception »

dirtnugget wrote: post #134
colejohnson66 wrote: post #117

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Yep. Obama didn’t even pardon Manning. He only commuted her sentence. The difference being that pardoning removes it from your record while commuted is just “time served.”

As much as I liked Obama, his government would take any chance at spying on others.

Any constitutional lawyer will take advantage of the constitution's shortcomings.

Re: Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

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Post by YinglingLight »

pps43 wrote: post #75
pgt wrote: post #35

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By granting Snowden asylum, Russia paints the USA as anti-free speech and pro-surveillance.

To be fair, by going after Snowden the US painted itself anti-free speech and pro-surveillance.

"by going after Snowden"

What a bunch of meanies.

You cannot maintain an Intelligence apparatus, a Military, or a Justice System without maintaining and enforcing classification.

Re: Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

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Post by [deleted] »

buran77 wrote: post #66
seppin wrote: post #36

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Yes it's call a "cover story". He visited the Russian consulate in HK (for a birthday party no less) before he left and his main legal advisor was the lawyer from Wikileaks , a Russian intel cutout. All just coincidence I guess.

Does it really matter that Snowden received assistance from Russia considering the data he leaked was proven legitimate and even US courts found the program he leaked from as being illegal? You're trying to build a backstory for something using bits and pieces of disparate information when the most plausible explanation is that Snowden was probably well aware that his freedom and likely his life were in danger and so…

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Re: Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

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Post by cramexam »

save_ferris wrote: post #135
fandroid wrote: post #95

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Power vacuums get filled. NSA was largely torched to the ground. Good or bad, there was a counterbalance between big tech and the NSA that is now gone. SV snatched up the power. Everyone connected to big tech, Graham and company, stood to gain immensely from Snowden's treason against his country. Naturally, "hero" is the word. I'd speculate that Snowden singlehandedly added trillions in value to big tech.

> there was a counterbalance between big tech and the NSA that is now gone. What?!?! Big tech was the primary facilitator of NSA surveillance through PRISM, they worked together to spy on billions of people. The idea that the general public benefited from this relationship is laughable. > I'd speculate that Snowden singlehandedly added trillions in value to big tech. Care to elaborate on this? How did Snowden add tri…

Big tech connected their data centers with cleartext links which NSA surveilled in secret, without their knowledge. Perhaps this isn't accurate?

Big tech wises up to Big Brother snooping on them, locks down, then continues to accumulate all of that precious data, out of view of the IC. Control over that data is worth trillions.

Re: Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

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Post by jaywalk »

shadowgovt wrote: post #60
jb1991 wrote: post #24

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Completely false. Look at Nixon.

Nobody's ever challenged Ford's pardon of Nixon. It's actually real unclear what the legality of it would be if a subsequent President had tried to arrest him.

What makes you say it's unclear? It's considered settled, even though the Supreme Court has never had to rule on it.

Re: Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

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Post by dlubarov »

seppin wrote: post #82
aarchi wrote: post #43

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Do you have a source for this?

5 seconds on Google. This claims says he actually stayed there. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/report-snowden-stayed-a...

Well, it says that Kommersant (Russian newspaper) claims he stayed there. Ben Wizner (advisor to Snowden) denied it --

> Every news organization in the world has been trying to confirm that story. They haven't been able to, because it's false.

Re: Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

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Post by YinglingLight »

slg wrote: post #69
tinus_hn wrote: post #22

The big question is what Russia has to gain from this. Is it just to troll the US?

I know almost no one on HN wants to hear anything bad about Snowden, but Greenwald has stated that Snowden has leaked some information out of self preservation. We can't rule out the fact that Snowden has given information to the Russian government. https://web.archive.org/web/20150704033557/https://twitter.c...

>be Snowden

>be ex-CIA

>be so concerned with privacy rights, sacrifices everything

>flee to bastions of privacy rights (China, Russia)

>hurt NSA immensely through PR

>be ex-CIA

Re: Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

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Post by [deleted] »

chrisco255 wrote: post #16
Shivetya wrote: post #2

I seriously hope that the President gives Snowden a pardon even it as a dick move on his way out. His releases were far less dangerous than Manning but I think his problem is no compelling story to distract from his actions and he did step on a lot of toes. Toes that deserved to be stomped.

The president can't pre-pardon him though. He'd have to go to trial first.

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