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Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

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Post by M2Ys4U »

mFixman wrote: post #61
feralimal wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Centralised platforms have utterly failed us though, and have become a way to manage information centrally - someone decides what you can or can't see/read/know about. Decentralised is really the only option for an informed humanity. In the long run, this has to be the answer.

Even in the best case scenario where everyone starts using different instances of Peertube, won't it end like 2012 Reddit full of racist and paedophile instances? You need a minimum amount of moderation to remove the least desirable groups of people from posting content.

>won't it end like 2012 Reddit full of racist and paedophile instances?

There is only one Reddit instance. Subreddits may have quasi-independent moderation (Reddit admins can always intervene if not doing so would cause bigger PR problems than they're willing to ignore or deal with in other ways) but there's no real way for one subreddit to disassociate with other subreddits.

PeerTube (or Mastodon or PixelFed or Lemmy) instances can disassociate from other instances that have incompatible moderation practices, though. Either through allowlisting or denylisting depending on the operators' risk models.

Using Mastodon as a case study: Gab tried to pivot to ActivityPub-based software (I think Mastodon) and yet they were denied the ability to federate with most instances because it's a deeply toxic community.

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

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Post by mymythisisthis »

stereolambda wrote: post #90

A couple observations: 1. Peertube and other fediverse software are examples of living AGPL projects. In recent weeks there was some discussion on this license, and people claiming "no one would want to contribute". My thinking is that AGPL today is where GPL was, I dunno, 20 years ago in terms of attitude of the industry ( not friendly ) and significance to the user (actual suppression of user-hostile behavior... of…

Here are the three problems with video;

1) Governments take pornography seriously. Therefore making a video sharing site always draws attention, as they'll get abused.

2) Along with pornography are videos that are racist, teach about bomb making, conspiracies, are anti-government. These also draw the ire of government.

3) The monetary value of videos is all over the place. Most videos aren't worth anything, except to the creator. Old films and t.v. shows aren't really worth anything financially. New releases do make money for companies, but fade away quickly. There are millions of films, shows, etc. I think this needs to be addressed. If someone shares an old music video, how much should they really be fined? How much is it really worth? The music company would say they lost millions. A consumer would say that they can buy the song for pennies, so the song is only worth pennies. We need a justice system, and judges that can really asses the actual value of things. This is the discussion that hasn't happened yet, but I feel is coming.

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

#94

Post by boogies »

spijdar wrote: post #83
reportingsjr wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not strict censorship per say, but more repression, but there are a lot of oddball youtube channels that are very popular that constantly get demonetized based on a somewhat arbitrary definitions of what is and isn't appropriate. This is important, because a lot of these people are trying to make their livings creating videos on youtube, and start trying to avoid otherwise interesting topics so they don't get de…

It seems the problem here isn't Youtube, though -- it's the ad networks. As great and beneficial as shifting to a p2p distribution model outside of Google is, I'm not sure how it defeats this "censorship", as you go from "Advertisers don't want to pay for ad placements on x/y/z controversial topic and Google won't promote me!" to simply having no revenue model and no promotion. You would need to start finding third p…

> It seems the problem here isn't Youtube, though -- it's the ad networks.

> As great and beneficial as shifting to a p2p distribution model outside of Google is, I'm not sure how it defeats this "censorship", as you go from "Advertisers don't want to pay for ad placements on x/y/z controversial topic and Google won't promote me!" to simply having no revenue model and no promotion.

I don’t think the problem commented on above is just demonetization and shadowbanning, it’s completely removing comments and channels as well.

But I agree re: sponsors and donations, Peertube already has a “Support” button right next to the like and dislike thumbs, that can be clicked to show donation links, including to Liberapay, and crypto addresses.

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

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Post by fsflover »

dewey wrote: post #27
feralimal wrote: post #6

This is so heart warming. Thanks to Debian and wow - Framasoft (who I'd never heard of) has a page that is so on point!! Amazing. Someone doing something to stop the book burning (comment deletion in the billions) and censorship at youtube. I wish there was more of this.

> Someone doing something to stop the book burning (comment deletion in the billions) and censorship at youtube. What kind of content is getting "censored" on YouTube?

YouTube's ban on “hacking techniques” threatens to shut down infosec YouTube:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20350306

Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17347560

YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20346865

and those are just the top results from HN.

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

#97

Post by eeZah7Ux »

mFixman wrote: post #61
feralimal wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Centralised platforms have utterly failed us though, and have become a way to manage information centrally - someone decides what you can or can't see/read/know about. Decentralised is really the only option for an informed humanity. In the long run, this has to be the answer.

Even in the best case scenario where everyone starts using different instances of Peertube, won't it end like 2012 Reddit full of racist and paedophile instances? You need a minimum amount of moderation to remove the least desirable groups of people from posting content.

Moderation and centralization are quite disconnected.

ActivityPub is federated and has moderation pretty much built in by design.

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

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Post by bergstromm466 »

mongol wrote: post #77
ivanche wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please, there are no additional costs for the employer. On paper yes, but from where do you think those "additional costs" are paid? Right, from the value an employee creates.

It is still a cost.

Yes... one that is paid from the value the employee creates.

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

#99

Post by bergstromm466 »

Denvercoder9 wrote: post #62
ecmascript wrote: post #46

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In Sweden, what you get paid isn't really your full salary. Sweden has a hidden tax system called "arbetsgivaravgift" which only the employer can see. It's hidden and not labeled as a tax because it tricks people into believing you're paying less taxes than you actually do. So when you think you're paying ~32% income tax, in reality it's closer to 50%.

> It's hidden and not labeled as a tax because it tricks people into believing you're paying less taxes than you actually do. That's some conspiracy bullshit. The first Google hit for "arbetsgivaravgift" gives the site of the Swedish IRS-equivalent, where it's both clearly marked as a tax and the exact percentage is given.

> That's some conspiracy bullshit.

No it's not.

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