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Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

#41

Post by ivanche »

cpach wrote: post #22
ordo_inf wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in Sweden too. Is that true? I thought it was more around 4k EUR. Or am I being lowballed here...

Oh I meant in terms of cost for the employer. As they have to pay additional taxes on top of the salary. E.g. the so called “employer’s fee” and pension fees (tjänstepension) and stuff like that. BTW, if you want to go into details, feel free to shoot me an email.

Please, there are no additional costs for the employer. On paper yes, but from where do you think those "additional costs" are paid? Right, from the value an employee creates.

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

#42

Post by viraptor »

zaarn wrote: post #40
viraptor wrote: post #25

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I'd take a bet against, because peertube transport can be essentially implemented in the same way as video calls. As long as Google Meet works in the browser, peertube can too. (I'm not saying it works that way right now)

Risky, WebRTC isn't quite P2P, the sending peer still has to sort of spend the resources to send to all participants. It's a full mesh but you'd want something more open. You'll also have to consider DDoS protections for streamers.

I'm not sure what you mean... why would webrtc spend any more resources than the current solution?

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

#43

Post by dewey »

feralimal wrote: post #37
dewey wrote: post #27

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> Someone doing something to stop the book burning (comment deletion in the billions) and censorship at youtube. What kind of content is getting "censored" on YouTube?

It is hard to get a handle on what disappears; at least I haven't seen a straightforward breakdown. Certainly things that talks about 911 not being an act of terrorism, Sandy Hook and other school shooting being a govt sponsored hoax, the Las Vegas shooting hoax, things relating to space being hoaxed, etc. I'm not going to provide an opinion on these things. Whatever your perspective, the thing I would argue, is that…

Personally this sounds like exactly the type of content I want to have removed from platforms I frequent. Same as foreign election meddling ads on Facebook or Nazis and bots on Twitter that users urge the platforms to deal with in a better way.

If I look at the front page of some peertube instances it consists of Liveleak-like content, conspiracy theories and ISIS recruitment videos and I can see how that is not very appealing to the average user.

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

#44

Post by premek »

ivanche wrote: post #41
cpach wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh I meant in terms of cost for the employer. As they have to pay additional taxes on top of the salary. E.g. the so called “employer’s fee” and pension fees (tjänstepension) and stuff like that. BTW, if you want to go into details, feel free to shoot me an email.

Please, there are no additional costs for the employer. On paper yes, but from where do you think those "additional costs" are paid? Right, from the value an employee creates.

and their salaries?

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

#45

Post by feralimal »

dewey wrote: post #43
feralimal wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is hard to get a handle on what disappears; at least I haven't seen a straightforward breakdown. Certainly things that talks about 911 not being an act of terrorism, Sandy Hook and other school shooting being a govt sponsored hoax, the Las Vegas shooting hoax, things relating to space being hoaxed, etc. I'm not going to provide an opinion on these things. Whatever your perspective, the thing I would argue, is that…

Personally this sounds like exactly the type of content I want to have removed from platforms I frequent. Same as foreign election meddling ads on Facebook or Nazis and bots on Twitter that users urge the platforms to deal with in a better way. If I look at the front page of some peertube instances it consists of Liveleak-like content, conspiracy theories and ISIS recruitment videos and I can see how that is not very…

Well, you are saying it is a good thing that certain information is unavailable to you, and that you trust google, the government to do the job for you. I couldn't disagree more!

My response would be, don't you think you can judge for yourself what is ok, and to not watch things that are nonsense? Also, aren't you concerned that you could be manipulated as you may be trusting authorities who - out of self-interest - could fail to disclose information to you; ie that you will be unable to reach an informed opinion as you will be in ignorance?

Personally, I have zero trust in any other parties judging what is ok or not for me to know about. I am happy to judge for myself, without parental guidance.

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

#46

Post by ecmascript »

ivanche wrote: post #41
cpach wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh I meant in terms of cost for the employer. As they have to pay additional taxes on top of the salary. E.g. the so called “employer’s fee” and pension fees (tjänstepension) and stuff like that. BTW, if you want to go into details, feel free to shoot me an email.

Please, there are no additional costs for the employer. On paper yes, but from where do you think those "additional costs" are paid? Right, from the value an employee creates.

In Sweden, what you get paid isn't really your full salary. Sweden has a hidden tax system called "arbetsgivaravgift" which only the employer can see. It's hidden and not labeled as a tax because it tricks people into believing you're paying less taxes than you actually do.

So when you think you're paying ~32% income tax, in reality it's closer to 50%.

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

#47

Post by dewey »

feralimal wrote: post #45
dewey wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally this sounds like exactly the type of content I want to have removed from platforms I frequent. Same as foreign election meddling ads on Facebook or Nazis and bots on Twitter that users urge the platforms to deal with in a better way. If I look at the front page of some peertube instances it consists of Liveleak-like content, conspiracy theories and ISIS recruitment videos and I can see how that is not very…

Well, you are saying it is a good thing that certain information is unavailable to you, and that you trust google, the government to do the job for you. I couldn't disagree more! My response would be, don't you think you can judge for yourself what is ok, and to not watch things that are nonsense? Also, aren't you concerned that you could be manipulated as you may be trusting authorities who - out of self-interest -…

> you are saying it is a good thing that certain information is unavailable to you, and that you trust google, the government to do the job for you.

That's not what I'm saying. Removing the information from YouTube isn't removing the information from the internet. They are just making use of their right to decide what they give space to on their platform. I can still go to a specific conspiracy theory website and read about it there if I'm feeling like it.

The "government" has nothing to do with that as we are talking about a company applying their own policies to their website not a government mandated take down of content.

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

#48

Post by gorbypark »

older wrote: post #23
mtgx wrote: post #5

Anyone want to take bets that Google would eventually try to deprecate whatever API peertube needs because of some plausibly true "security reason" in the next few years?

Does peertube use Google API at all?

I think they probably meant a Chrome/browser API.

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

#49

Post by ecmascript »

ordo_inf wrote: post #19
cpach wrote: post #11

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Yeah, not to rain too much on Peertube’s parade but in my locale (Sweden) that is about one month’s worth of salary for a developer. And in other locales such as Silicon Valley it’s even less (maybe 1-2 weeks of salary?). Then again in some locales that kind of money would go a much longer way of course.

I live in Sweden too. Is that true? I thought it was more around 4k EUR. Or am I being lowballed here...

If you work in Stockholm you could easily get closer to 5k or even above that if you have some experience. If you work somewhere else the figure could be smaller.

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

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Post by tpxl »

Sesse__ wrote: post #38
roenxi wrote: post #8

10,000 euros isn't a lot of money. I'm going to interpret the enthusiastic upvoting of this post as being more about what it implies when steady and serious collectives like the Debian project start signalling that something is important. There needs to be better software infrastructure and it needs to be open source (and, indeed, free). It is hard not to like Debian. It is wonderful to see that focused, principled,…

> 10,000 euros isn't a lot of money. Yet, it would pay for 100TB+/month of bandwidth for 10–20 years at current market rates (which are bound to only go down). That should be ample for Debconf's streaming needs, without offloading the bandwidth cost onto its viewers and incurring significant complexity in the process.

I have unlimited 10Mbps (~3TB/month if my math is correct) connection that's costing me nothing to fully utilize. Where do I sign up to help debian?

What I'm saying is, "offloading the bandwidth cost" is bullshit because there is no cost.

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