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FreeBSD Can Now Be Built From Linux/macOS Hosts, Transition To Git Continues

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Re: FreeBSD Can Now Be Built From Linux/macOS Hosts, Transition To Git Continues

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Post by secondcoming »

1MachineElf wrote: post #26
sm84258 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you are being downvoted because kvm is just not capable of being hyper v and it never will be. hyper v is the best software in existance and windows will be fine forever.

My Hyper-V endeavor is basically a failed one, because on the latest version of Windows, running VMs still causes random bluescreens on my Ryzen-based workstation. I wish I could say it was good software, but it's very much lacking for me.

I use VMWare Player on a Win10 host and have never had an issue.

Re: FreeBSD Can Now Be Built From Linux/macOS Hosts, Transition To Git Continues

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Post by busterarm »

louwrentius wrote: post #27
busterarm wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You underestimate most companies' (with significant internal engineering organizations) commitment to open source. It's been 8 years since I've even had to touch Windows professionally and without any overt effort on my part.

For every such workplace there are probably 100 companies that only support a Windows-based computer. I think you overestimate the prevalence of such environments.

Those companies most often are not hiring thousands of software engineers.

That's the context where this matters.

Re: FreeBSD Can Now Be Built From Linux/macOS Hosts, Transition To Git Continues

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Post by Shared404 »

sm84258 wrote: post #19
zeveb wrote: post #8

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> Linux on Windows might work really well … and be the superior experience in total for lots of people. No, it will not and — without massive changes at Microsoft and in Windows — will never be. Source: have a Windows box, am repeatedly amazed at how bad it is. Seriously, it is embarrassing to use Windows. I think the only reason people enjoy it is the fact that they have not gotten a chance to really spend time in a…

you are being downvoted because kvm is just not capable of being hyper v and it never will be. hyper v is the best software in existance and windows will be fine forever.

Is this sarcastic?

Re: FreeBSD Can Now Be Built From Linux/macOS Hosts, Transition To Git Continues

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Post by thimashmerkle »

brobdingnagians wrote: post #29
josteink wrote: post #2

Much like WSL may be “eating” away at real Linux user-share, it will be interesting to see if enabling FreeBSD development outside FreeBSD itself will somehow affect the FreeBSD marketshare (for better or worse).

I attempted to switch to a FreeBSD desktop, the first thing I noticed was that Redshift didn't work at all for changing colour temperature. It appears that they switched everything from X to Wayland, and that means Redshift stopped working, but no one appears to have noticed... That was a bad sign, so I uninstalled.

Wondering why you have been downvoted - freebsd is pretty useless these days. The mob appears to stifle feedback that goes against their fetish.

Re: FreeBSD Can Now Be Built From Linux/macOS Hosts, Transition To Git Continues

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

jraph wrote: post #17
sarcastix wrote: post #7

It's great that we don't need FreeBSD to build FreeBSD anymore. In other news, my butcher has finally become a vegetarian. But, joking aside, it's great that FreeBSD has improved Linux KPI layer, improved Linux application compatibility, and has synced their ZFS code with upstream ZFS-on-Linux.

> In other news, my butcher has finally become a vegetarian. That happened in Grenoble, France: The guy behind "La bouche'rit" ("The mouth laughs", a pun on "boucherie", the butchery), a vegan restaurant, was a previously a butcher.

I've heard of vegans / vegetarians running cattle farms as well.

Re: FreeBSD Can Now Be Built From Linux/macOS Hosts, Transition To Git Continues

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Post by MivLives »

busterarm wrote: post #12
patrec wrote: post #9

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There is a non-zero chance WSL will make desktop Linux completely irrelevant even for developers.

You underestimate most companies' (with significant internal engineering organizations) commitment to open source. It's been 8 years since I've even had to touch Windows professionally and without any overt effort on my part.

Or they'll do what they do in the last two places I've worked.

"Oh you're a dev? Here's a mac"

Re: FreeBSD Can Now Be Built From Linux/macOS Hosts, Transition To Git Continues

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Post by wink »

busterarm wrote: post #12
patrec wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a non-zero chance WSL will make desktop Linux completely irrelevant even for developers.

You underestimate most companies' (with significant internal engineering organizations) commitment to open source. It's been 8 years since I've even had to touch Windows professionally and without any overt effort on my part.

Well "not touching it at all" would've been great but I've had my main machine on Windows for about 2-3 years out of the last 14, so I don't think that's so rare.

Since 2013 I didn't even have a job anyone with a Windows machine /could have done/, because the stuff simply doesn't run or compile. (Yeah, WSL and all, the box was too slow to compile stuff natively already).

Re: FreeBSD Can Now Be Built From Linux/macOS Hosts, Transition To Git Continues

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Post by whizzter »

louwrentius wrote: post #21
dividedbyzero wrote: post #6

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Nah, lots of shops begrudgingly support Linux laptops because a VM is a lot less practical, and the productivity hit would be substantial, probably, and forcing devs to make do with Windows only is bad for hiring. If WSL really works out, though, it might be the other way around – Linux on Windows might work really well, be able to do things Linux itself can't, like interfacing with Windows-only hardware, using Direc…

I think the year of Linux on the desktop will be heralded by Microsoft introducing WSL3 that provides absolute compatibility with all Linux applications. ;-) Not that most people would want to run most of those, but Microsofts corporate customers are fed up with supporting those Linux laptops and all the problems related to that.

Really afaik the only thing missing from working well with mainline WSL2 now is some UI apps using GL,etc for X11 and iirc that is being worked so no need for any WSL3. Considering i've mostly used win envs to begin with this is already good enough that i see very few reasons to ever bother with installing Linux for myself again and even those are dwindling quickly.

Re: FreeBSD Can Now Be Built From Linux/macOS Hosts, Transition To Git Continues

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Post by Santosh83 »

jasoneckert wrote: post #3

"On the Git front, their transitioning from Subversion to Git they hope to have a beta repository by the end of October." Their migration from Subversion to Git also provided the motive for the murder mystery book "git commit murder" by Michael W. Lucas.

Just read the blurb and interesting premise to say the least. Sounds like it could be great fun! I may get a copy. Thanks for the mention.

Re: FreeBSD Can Now Be Built From Linux/macOS Hosts, Transition To Git Continues

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Post by whizzter »

lproven wrote: post #14
znpy wrote: post #10

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it's called "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish"

This. It's been MICROS~1's primary tactic against competitors for at least 1/3 of a century now and nothing has changed: now the company just _says_ it likes FOSS. Does Windows set up dual-boot if Linux is installed first? Naw. Does Windows read or write Linux filesystems? Naw. Has MS open-sourced any significant or important parts of Windows where it won't benefit directly? Naw. It is in MS' direct interests if Powe…

MS doesn't care about Stallmans GNU goals. What they do care about are developers not being annoyed with working on a Windows machine (or nowadays using their Azure clouds).

Speaking for myself, I'm coming from the gamedev world (lately webdev) and as such was mostly tied to windows due to various tools(Photoshop,Modo,3dsmax in the past,etc) but that didn't mean that I was going to suffer by using IIS or spend a fortune on Windows server licences or higher hardware reqs for appplication servers for no good reason.

So yes, MS will ignore OSS for their core Windows stuff, HOWEVER they will probably also play nice in the wider OSS (If not FOSS) community since they probably see Azure as the third leg of the future (apart from Windows and Office) and as such will ensure that everyone who uses it (be it for Windows or Linux deployments) are happy with it (And trashing things in the OSS community will thus be counterproductive).

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