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Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

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Post by viraptor »

zaarn wrote: post #68
viraptor wrote: post #59

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That's only because for video chats you need a full mesh in p2p. There's no requirement for that in webrtc itself which would be just the transport protocol in your case. You can also send only the selected chunks rather than stream the whole file.

But then you basically do what webtorrent already does, why reinvent it for no reason?

The whole premise of this thread is the speculation: "Google would eventually try to deprecate whatever API peertube needs". My answer to that is "basically do what webtorrent already does" (but using a different API)

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

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Post by danmur »

roenxi wrote: post #8

10,000 euros isn't a lot of money. I'm going to interpret the enthusiastic upvoting of this post as being more about what it implies when steady and serious collectives like the Debian project start signalling that something is important. There needs to be better software infrastructure and it needs to be open source (and, indeed, free). It is hard not to like Debian. It is wonderful to see that focused, principled,…

It's not a fortune but ignoring the actual money: * It's publicity for peertube, here and other places * It could get a good chunk of useful development done if used correctly * It's an endorsement from a trusted body that might help build awareness and momentum

I realised at the last second my last comment was about peertube too :). I have no stake but I'd love YouTube alternatives.

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

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Post by aesyondu »

feralimal wrote: post #37
dewey wrote: post #27

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> Someone doing something to stop the book burning (comment deletion in the billions) and censorship at youtube. What kind of content is getting "censored" on YouTube?

It is hard to get a handle on what disappears; at least I haven't seen a straightforward breakdown. Certainly things that talks about 911 not being an act of terrorism, Sandy Hook and other school shooting being a govt sponsored hoax, the Las Vegas shooting hoax, things relating to space being hoaxed, etc. I'm not going to provide an opinion on these things. Whatever your perspective, the thing I would argue, is that…

I love freedom and it is basically the first thing I think of when coming up with a list of "things I care about the most".

With that said, I'm trying to think about what would reddit/youtube/ look like in my utopian world of free speech.

Where would I draw the line for which can and can't be posted? Should media related to pornography, terrorism, or pedophilia be allowed or forbidden? How about gore, violence, or any other form of crime / morally wrong concept?

I've personally seen (without intending to) the video of the New Zealand Christchurch shooting. On seeing that video I have never been more disgusted in my entire life. I felt like I wanted to puke, hell I want to puke as I type this. Should that be allowed or forbidden?

In my view everything should be allowed, that is, there should be no form of censorship whatsoever. It is up to the individual, based on the value system that he/she has accumulated throughout his/her life, to decide whether what he/she is seeing/reading is acceptable or deplorable. But no one should be able to decide that for another individual.

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

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Post by davty »

ecmascript wrote: post #46
ivanche wrote: post #41

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Please, there are no additional costs for the employer. On paper yes, but from where do you think those "additional costs" are paid? Right, from the value an employee creates.

In Sweden, what you get paid isn't really your full salary. Sweden has a hidden tax system called "arbetsgivaravgift" which only the employer can see. It's hidden and not labeled as a tax because it tricks people into believing you're paying less taxes than you actually do. So when you think you're paying ~32% income tax, in reality it's closer to 50%.

It's not really hidden though, and there is nothing preventing from it being displayed on payslips, it usually just isn't.

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

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Post by mongol »

ivanche wrote: post #41
cpach wrote: post #22

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Oh I meant in terms of cost for the employer. As they have to pay additional taxes on top of the salary. E.g. the so called “employer’s fee” and pension fees (tjänstepension) and stuff like that. BTW, if you want to go into details, feel free to shoot me an email.

Please, there are no additional costs for the employer. On paper yes, but from where do you think those "additional costs" are paid? Right, from the value an employee creates.

It is still a cost.

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

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Post by mschuster91 »

mFixman wrote: post #61
feralimal wrote: post #16

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Centralised platforms have utterly failed us though, and have become a way to manage information centrally - someone decides what you can or can't see/read/know about. Decentralised is really the only option for an informed humanity. In the long run, this has to be the answer.

Even in the best case scenario where everyone starts using different instances of Peertube, won't it end like 2012 Reddit full of racist and paedophile instances? You need a minimum amount of moderation to remove the least desirable groups of people from posting content.

> won't it end like 2012 Reddit full of racist and paedophile instances?

Not if police intervenes, at least for the pedos there exist established international relations between agencies that works efficiently - there is a reason why you won't see pedo content on the clearnet for long.

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

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Post by feralimal »

mFixman wrote: post #61
feralimal wrote: post #16

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Centralised platforms have utterly failed us though, and have become a way to manage information centrally - someone decides what you can or can't see/read/know about. Decentralised is really the only option for an informed humanity. In the long run, this has to be the answer.

Even in the best case scenario where everyone starts using different instances of Peertube, won't it end like 2012 Reddit full of racist and paedophile instances? You need a minimum amount of moderation to remove the least desirable groups of people from posting content.

This is a difficult question - which is why this line is always provided as a justification for greater authoritarianism.

I would ask, where is the crime here? Is it that you saw something terrible, or that something terrible occurred? Should we be focused on the prevention of immoral acts, or the representation of those immoral acts on video?

Does your not knowing about certain immoral acts make it better or worse in reality for those suffering by them? If the reality is that there are racists and pedophiles, is better to address the issue openly, or behind closed doors?

In my opinion, it is better to enshrine freedom of speech, and to address issues openly. Having things 'managed' privately may mean that it is ok, as long as no one finds out about it. Its definitely a difficult one, but I am not for hiding reality.

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

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Post by pengstrom »

magicalhippo wrote: post #69
Denvercoder9 wrote: post #62

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> It's hidden and not labeled as a tax because it tricks people into believing you're paying less taxes than you actually do. That's some conspiracy bullshit. The first Google hit for "arbetsgivaravgift" gives the site of the Swedish IRS-equivalent, where it's both clearly marked as a tax and the exact percentage is given.

But the employee does not see it on their pay slip, unlike the regular taxes and pension. So when people (aka employees) talk about taxes it is rarely mentioned. In that regard it is a hidden tax. My boss told me he when thinking about our pay he considers the expense to the company to be about 2x what we get paid (pre-tax). So that's the "arbetsgivaravgift" (we got the same thing here in Norway) and pensions on top…

It's not paid by the worker, it's paid by the employer. There no more need to have it on the pay slip than any other per-employee expenses.
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