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White Women Need Not Apply

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Re: White Women Need Not Apply

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

alexpetralia wrote: post #18
pugworthy wrote: post #3

I don't mean this as a joke, but I'm actually rather hesitant to express any thoughts on this after reading it. I'll just leave it at that.

Could you imagine _any_ of the comments here HN affixed to that Twitter thread? You could seriously jeopardize your career. What I wonder is how people can live in such wildly divergent realities? I suppose social media (which includes both Twitter and HN) plays a primary role.

Social media no doubt exacerbates the problem, but I think it also makes the problem a lot more visible and easier to draw connections with. If some similar spat had happened in the 90s - with none of the participants or their organizations being tremendously well known - how many of the people reading this thread would have ever heard about it?

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Post by aaomidi »

neffy wrote: post #40
8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #17

A few thoughts here: 1. Who are all of these people? I've never heard of them. Is this a storm in a teacup, or is the implication of the article that this incident is a taste of what's to come? 2. The story seems almost too conveniently negative towards Sojwal. As someone who's well on the opposite side of radical intersectionality and radical feminism, this article feels written for people like me who will get outra…

Form your own opinion here: https://twitter.com/senti_narwhal?lang=en I think it's worth observing that mob rule is never good, and racism is actually pretty universal, as are bullies, it's just the target group that changes. But as you point out, the bullies are subject to instant replacement once the mob decides to switch its allegiances.

And this context: https://twitter.com/amywestervelt/status/1316923479011303424

Re: White Women Need Not Apply

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Post by echelon »

Honestly, I think the furries have it right, at least in concept. (I know a surprising many of them.) They've solved racism and sexism by abandoning the vestiges of these notions altogether.

I wish the real world was just as blind.

Why do people have to behave like the tribalistic great apes we descended from? It's 2020 and we have rockets that travel to Mars and beyond.

So many people love to bully...

Re: White Women Need Not Apply

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Post by pjkundert »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #10

> “Not here to play” was an understatement: 48 hours and more than 7,000 retweets later, Roost’s career was toast. In hindsight, this was probably inevitable. Nobody gets canceled quite so enthusiastically as a middle-aged white woman accused of racism Here's a Perry Bible Fellowship comic that first was funny, but now I realize is prescient[1]. We're beginning to see something akin to Newton's Third law of social ju…

I’ve been “blipping the throttle” to add accelerant to these kinds of absurd happenings for exactly this reason.

The sooner society recoils toward valuing personal liberty and responsibility again, the better!

These absurdly tone deaf and hateful “anti-fascist” fascists are going to go down in the history books as one of the most ridiculous groups of thugs we’ve seen in the short and violent (but mostly peaceful) history of America...

Re: White Women Need Not Apply

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Post by grawprog »

I'm not sure how well this is going to go over, but whenever I read something along these lines, I can't help but wonder, what's the end goal of all this?

Complete segregation? Apartheid? Set up bubbles where only people of certain colours or orientations can go, work, etc?

Why would anyone actually want this? I've met a lot of different people from a lot of different places, the things i've found the least important for determining the character of a person are their colour or orientation or any other equally superficial thing like the colour of their hair, or eyes or how tall they are or any of these other things that have absolutely nothing to do with the character and personality of a person.

Dividing, segregating, judging or making any kind of decisions based on a person's skin colour just overall makes you a shitty person. Regardless of who you are or how much privilege you think that person has over you.

Re: White Women Need Not Apply

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Post by umvi »

macspoofing wrote: post #9
nooyurrsdey wrote: post #4

I feel like I'm so burnt out from reading about conflict. I can't even comment on who is right or wrong...it feels like such an overinflated digital age argument.

>it feels like such an overinflated digital age argument. It is and if it just stayed on twitter it would be a nothing burger ... but somebody's real life career, good name, and business was destroyed. It wasn't the first time this happened in the past 5 years (but especially in the past year) From the article: "Roost’s podcast network dropped her show; her producer publicly denounced her character (“We stand against…

I swear it's a modern day Shibboleth[0]. I mean, just look at the picture in that article of the pogrom. Villagers displaying pictures/support for Jesus during pogram == internet denizens (and companies) showing that they denounce racism. Or to use another biblical analogy, I suspect a lot of times when a company publically denounces racism, what they are really doing is painting lamb's blood above their doorway in the hope that the "destroying angel" (mobs) will pass by them.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth

Re: White Women Need Not Apply

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Post by [deleted] »

cma wrote: post #23
idea_heroin wrote: post #8

This is a big reason for Trump’s appeal - being able to rally behind someone who can so effectively withstand constant derision from all directions. Moreover, the apologists on this site and elsewhere will continue to excuse this behavior until they are backed into a corner and enclosed into a tomb of their own making.

Trump did largely all the same stuff, canceling Kaepernick and others. Not sure if they are both professors, but, if so, I'd wager his evangelical base wouldn't allow either woman in the article to teach at their evangelical schools on ideological grounds, canceling them from reaching a whole set of students.

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Re: White Women Need Not Apply

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Post by krapp »

reaperducer wrote: post #16
idea_heroin wrote: post #8

This is a big reason for Trump’s appeal - being able to rally behind someone who can so effectively withstand constant derision from all directions. Moreover, the apologists on this site and elsewhere will continue to excuse this behavior until they are backed into a corner and enclosed into a tomb of their own making.

being able to rally behind someone who can so effectively withstand constant derision from all directions Americans love an underdog, from baseball to politics. Whether or why Mr. Trump is an actual underdog, or plays one on TV is left as an exercise for the reader.

One of the fascinating aspects of the Trump phenomenon to me is how a globalist billionaire celebrity who started his career with a million dollar loan from his father managed to convince a demographic that hates globalists, billionaires and celebrities that he was the scrappy underdog and hero of the common man running against someone with a fraction of his net worth, a better pedigree of political advocacy and who actually held down a real job at least once.

Granted, it amounts to the difference between a silver spoon and a platinum spoon but it's still surprising.

Re: White Women Need Not Apply

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Post by Diggsey »

notsuoh wrote: post #11

A lot of drama here that seems to spill out into real life. Two opposing sides. But, they're largely on the same side it seems like. One seems to have made a mistake in submitting her article unknowingly to a blog that doesn't accept articles from white women, and the other wasn't happy about this or the tone from the first person.

> But, they're largely on the same side

There's no such thing for the people who buy into this kind of identity politics.

Any difference in views, no matter how small is irreconcilable. No leeway is allowed. The best option for any reasonable person is to keep quiet, stay as far away from these hypocrites as possible and hope that when they inevitably self-destruct, none of the fallout lands on you.

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