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Re: White Women Need Not Apply

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Post by pianoben » Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 11:14 PM UTC

reaperducer wrote: post #21

Yetanfou wrote: post #13

Well, I'm not. This is nothing but a load of racist and intersectionalist tripe uttered by a brainwashed zealot who starts her twitter bio with a preferred pronoun. It represents a lot of what went wrong between the 90's and now. The solution to these problems might just be to a) totally ignore these self-proclaimed representatives of 'oppressed' groups and b) do exactly those things which they don't want you to do.…

intersectionalist This is a new word for me. I Googled a bit, but didn't find anything helpful to fit it into the context of your comment. Can you explain it a bit?

I believe "intersectional" comes from gender and ethnic studies, and refers to different axes of oppression. The idea is that different kinds of privilege/opperession intersect in individuals - such as a white (privileged) woman (disadvantaged).

There's a whole body of theory around intersectionality. That's probably the term to look up in Google.

Re: White Women Need Not Apply

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Post by drinker » Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 11:14 PM UTC

Is Senji Sojwal a pseudonym? I can’t seem to find that this is a real person. When searching for “Senji Sojwal” in a search engine, this article is the only result returned.

Re: White Women Need Not Apply

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Post by t-writescode » Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 11:14 PM UTC

reaperducer wrote: post #21

Yetanfou wrote: post #13

Well, I'm not. This is nothing but a load of racist and intersectionalist tripe uttered by a brainwashed zealot who starts her twitter bio with a preferred pronoun. It represents a lot of what went wrong between the 90's and now. The solution to these problems might just be to a) totally ignore these self-proclaimed representatives of 'oppressed' groups and b) do exactly those things which they don't want you to do.…

intersectionalist This is a new word for me. I Googled a bit, but didn't find anything helpful to fit it into the context of your comment. Can you explain it a bit?

From my understanding, intersectional feminism believes this:

Not all women experience the world the same, or have the same struggles. You can subdivide people's struggles further.

For example, women and men experience the world differently. Black people and white people experience the world differently with what sort of things they can take for granted and things that other people will assume about them.

And it goes further.

A white woman and a black woman, though both women, will each experience life a bit differently. A black woman and a black man, too!

And even further,

A gay black woman will experience life differently and have a different, more specific set of struggles than a straight black woman.

Basically, it's not just ethnicity, not just gender, not just sexuality, not just [insert method of subdividing people that can be imagined] that changes a person's experiences and struggles in the world, but the collection of all of them that changes their experiences of the world and the sorts of privileges and prejudices, etc, they experience.

Re: White Women Need Not Apply

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Post by aaomidi » Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 11:14 PM UTC

Re: The podcast getting cancelled. This is what Amy Westervelt (who cancelled her) has to say. She also provides context on what lead to that decision and it wasn't just a random twitter fight.

https://twitter.com/amywestervelt/status/1316923479011303424

Re: White Women Need Not Apply

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 11:15 PM UTC

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #6

I find stories about cancel culture both interesting and vexing. I disagree with so many of the premises behind such alleged behavior that I want to write off the entire topic and its participants. And I'm vexed and dismayed by the issue because, by it's very nature, I hold no hope of resolving it by polite but critical discussion. But there's a small part of me that suspects its a low-probability risk I need to be a…

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Re: White Women Need Not Apply

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Post by aaomidi » Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 11:15 PM UTC

peteypao wrote: post #19

I am so sick of cancel culture. Roost did not deserve this.

Please get some context on why she was "cancelled".

https://twitter.com/amywestervelt/status/1316923479011303424

Re: White Women Need Not Apply

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Post by User23 » Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 11:15 PM UTC

reaperducer wrote: post #21

Yetanfou wrote: post #13

Well, I'm not. This is nothing but a load of racist and intersectionalist tripe uttered by a brainwashed zealot who starts her twitter bio with a preferred pronoun. It represents a lot of what went wrong between the 90's and now. The solution to these problems might just be to a) totally ignore these self-proclaimed representatives of 'oppressed' groups and b) do exactly those things which they don't want you to do.…

intersectionalist This is a new word for me. I Googled a bit, but didn't find anything helpful to fit it into the context of your comment. Can you explain it a bit?

Here's my pragmatic take on what it means. This isn't an endorsement.

It's a preference ranking based on identity group membership. The UC system has helpfully provided a table on the third page of this document[1]. Each organization may have a slightly different stack ranking, but suffice to say higher ranked group members are "more diverse" and thus should be preferentially admitted, hired, etc, to make up for systemic racism.

[1] https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/sites/default/files/R...

Re: White Women Need Not Apply

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Post by jayd16 » Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 11:15 PM UTC

ziroshima wrote: post #5

"I am really tired of white women's tears." This is a plainly racist comment.

Eh. Its pointing out the concept of victimhood by the privileged class. I don't take it to be a blanket statement against all white women.

Re: White Women Need Not Apply

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Post by aaomidi » Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 11:15 PM UTC

ziroshima wrote: post #5

"I am really tired of white women's tears." This is a plainly racist comment.

Individual racism is far different from systemic and systematic racism.

Re: White Women Need Not Apply

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Post by neffy » Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 11:15 PM UTC

8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #17

A few thoughts here: 1. Who are all of these people? I've never heard of them. Is this a storm in a teacup, or is the implication of the article that this incident is a taste of what's to come? 2. The story seems almost too conveniently negative towards Sojwal. As someone who's well on the opposite side of radical intersectionality and radical feminism, this article feels written for people like me who will get outra…

Form your own opinion here: https://twitter.com/senti_narwhal?lang=en

I think it's worth observing that mob rule is never good, and racism is actually pretty universal, as are bullies, it's just the target group that changes. But as you point out, the bullies are subject to instant replacement once the mob decides to switch its allegiances.