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Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by thirdsun » Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 8:29 AM UTC

shin_lao wrote: post #227

jacurtis wrote: post #122

Let's also not forget that Apple also removed a $20-30 accessory from the box under the guise of saving the planet. Then not only decided to not pass that savings onto the customer, but actually secretively raised the price $30. I am not suggesting that removing the power brick doesn't have any impact on the environment. What I am suggesting is that I don't buy for a second that it was the primary motivator for remov…

I'm actually very happy they did because every time I upgraded, the headphones and the adapter would end up in a box. I have enough adapters to build a fort, which is kind of cool, but also kind of useless.

I'm surprised. Do people not sell their old iPhones? Since it's significant money I always sell my old device and obviously I include the (unused) headphones as well as the charger (which I actually do use)

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by approxim8ion » Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 1:38 PM UTC

vmception wrote: post #302

marketingPro wrote: post #275

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To anyone who isn't stuck in the Apple ecosystem it appears that Apple is squeezing their customers yet again. And a response defending them is no surprise. The human brain will rationalize anything.

what you might not notice is that we all have the freakin chargers, too many of them! even if you take just your malfunctioning device, by itself, to the store for repair, they give you a whole new phone with another set of headphones and chargers maaaaybe there is a point about “and they raised the price anyway!” Yes, Apple has large margins, yes, new consumer goods cost more than they previously did. It is weird to…

I'm not responding with the parent in mind because it's already flagged at the time of writing this comment, but I really wanted to know if

>we all have the freakin chargers

is a correct assumption. Apple are recommending a 20W brick with a USB-C slot in it for the 12 series. No OEM I know has shipped such a charger with their phones. Apple themselves haven't either. The iPhone 11 Pro came the closest with an 18W USB C brick, but the others used USB A too as far as I know.

It's not to say that it won't charge on a 5/10/15/18W brick, but I believe the consensus is that the rating certified by the OEM and preferably the hardware certified by them should be used unless it's unavoidable.

Would love to hear some facts on this.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by epanchin » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 5:25 PM UTC

samatman wrote: post #319

epanchin wrote: post #158

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If they wanted to be enviroment they would have switched to USB-C. I'm personally happy about the lack of charger, all my Apple ones go into a drawer never to be seen again.

They did, the cable which comes with the new phones is USB-C on the charge end. Forcing an ecosystem of about a billion devices to throw away all their cables and accessories isn't environmentally responsible, however you want to spin it.

A billion now, ten billion in a few years.

It is responsible, and the sooner the better.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by epanchin » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 5:26 PM UTC

Shivetya wrote: post #217

epanchin wrote: post #158

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If they wanted to be enviroment they would have switched to USB-C. I'm personally happy about the lack of charger, all my Apple ones go into a drawer never to be seen again.

I am in the camp that they should just hand them out to anyone who has purchased a new phone. They cannot cost that much and this way new customers are not out an additional cost. This is easily accomplished at the store and a good retailer could run with the idea to differentiate themselves for a low cost

This is a great idea - or a tick box on the online form.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by epanchin » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 5:28 PM UTC

dkonofalski wrote: post #355

epanchin wrote: post #158

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If they wanted to be enviroment they would have switched to USB-C. I'm personally happy about the lack of charger, all my Apple ones go into a drawer never to be seen again.

How is that environmentally friendly, though? Switching to USB-C now turns all the existing Lightning accessories into more e-waste and all the existing Lightning cables into e-waste. Given that wired charging will likely go away in a few years, it doesn't really make sense to change everything to USB-C now just to make it go away altogether in either an environmental sense or a business sense.

In a few years, billions more lightening devices will be sold to people that are also buying usb-c devices.

Stop the waste now.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by culopatin » Sun, Oct 25, 2020, 1:26 PM UTC

unishark wrote: post #152

aylmao wrote: post #24

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Adding to the industries that get into shady territory: universities. Campus fees, "activity" fees, etc. Now apparently COVID-related fees too [1]. [1]: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/20/college-students-get-hit-wit...

This doesn't sound like a consumer protection issue to me. The fees are transparently listed in advance of attendance aren't they? You can choose to pay them or decline to attend. Different from a hotel where you get hit with unexpected fees when checking out and it's too late to negotiate or decline to stay.

You’re still cornered by the need. If every other place also adds random inexplicable fees then you end up paying them anyway. I guess you could argue that it’s just the same as a price increase, but like tax in the US, those weird fees are only disclosed at the checkout, not upfront.