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The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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This is not an honest statement, unless you have access to their pricing and costs.

They didn't get to be one of the most profitable companies in the world by 'passing savings along to the customer'. It is more dishonest IMO to allow Apple's claims to go unchallenged, given what we know of their history.

> 'passing savings along to the customer' ... Apple's claims

Have they claimed this?

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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I asked straight up before seeing the doc about the cost and nobody knew. They finally estimated "about $1,500" and my total bill was around $5,000. And if I refuse to pay it, they send me to collections. It's insane what they are allowed to do.

Really this should be medical misconduct - how can the customer give informed consent if they don't know what they're consenting to?

The opposite unknown is also part of the problem -- the facility doesn't necessarily know what procedures are going to happen until you're in the facility being seen by a professional with the authority to order any procedures. Any speculations about what procedures might be necessary by anyone not qualified to order them is akin to practicing medicine without a license, and so is highly avoided.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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I saw that on their page - I wasn't as offended about the pricing differential as the post, but I was groaning during the whole verizon pitch. I wonder how much verizon paid for that placement. It felt extremely out of place and very cringy IMO.

Steve Jobs was rolling in his grave

Still clutching his puck mouse[0] ...

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_USB_Mouse#Design_and_cri...

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Let's also not forget that Apple also removed a $20-30 accessory from the box under the guise of saving the planet. Then not only decided to not pass that savings onto the customer, but actually secretively raised the price $30. I am not suggesting that removing the power brick doesn't have any impact on the environment. What I am suggesting is that I don't buy for a second that it was the primary motivator for remov…

> Then not only decided to not pass that savings onto the customer, but actually secretively raised the price $30.

They raised the price $130. iPhone 11 was $699, iPhone 12 is $829.

Apple slipped in the "mini" at the old price point, but it's a smaller screen.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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But this new phone has different components. How do you know that the price of the phone without accessories is the same as before?

They pulled it out of existing iPhone lineup.

Are their costs the same as they were when the phones were released?

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"decided to not pass that savings onto the customer" Do you have access to the BOM? Sure it was likely a cost-savings measure, but it may have been to combat rising prices elsewhere. It's a two-sided equation and we can't see the whole thing. If Apple did want to be environmentally friendly though I would think offering a reasonably priced multi-device (4-ports?) charger would be more effective than just selling a si…

If they wanted to be enviroment they would have switched to USB-C. I'm personally happy about the lack of charger, all my Apple ones go into a drawer never to be seen again.

they're not switching to USB-C and just continuing with the lightning connector is because they want to have a truly wireless phone at some point (hint being their new mag charger)

because they've already put usb-c on ipad and macbooks

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Let's also not forget that Apple also removed a $20-30 accessory from the box under the guise of saving the planet. Then not only decided to not pass that savings onto the customer, but actually secretively raised the price $30. I am not suggesting that removing the power brick doesn't have any impact on the environment. What I am suggesting is that I don't buy for a second that it was the primary motivator for remov…

I'm actually very happy they did because every time I upgraded, the headphones and the adapter would end up in a box. I have enough adapters to build a fort, which is kind of cool, but also kind of useless.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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post #210

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Are you serious? You think the average person a) doesn't know that you have to charge your phone and b) doesn't have like 50 of those stupid cubes and a bunch of cables sitting in a drawer somewhere? Tech people's continued assumption that they're the only ones who aren't total troglodytes is ridiculous.

Most of thee existing Apple charging cubes are not USB-C. The cable included with the new phones is USB-C -> Lightning. So, the cable doesn't work with most existing chargers (unless you happen to also own an iPad Pro).

Yeah but the five other cables/chargers in their drawer do work.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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post #210

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Are you serious? You think the average person a) doesn't know that you have to charge your phone and b) doesn't have like 50 of those stupid cubes and a bunch of cables sitting in a drawer somewhere? Tech people's continued assumption that they're the only ones who aren't total troglodytes is ridiculous.

Most of thee existing Apple charging cubes are not USB-C. The cable included with the new phones is USB-C -> Lightning. So, the cable doesn't work with most existing chargers (unless you happen to also own an iPad Pro).

This is true and super annoying that they're doing it this way. However, it's not just iPad Pros that have compatible chargers. Anyone with a MacBook from the last several years (four?) can charge either via the computer or the wall plug (if they want to charge faster). Some people also have inductive chargers that they use, though this is probably a minority.

I won't be getting one of these phones, and I think the VZW/AT&T giveaway is garbage. But I don't mind not having another power brick for my next phone. I already have plenty of lightning cables sitting around and ways to plug them in.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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> Then they should have dropped the price of the phone, no? But it's a different phone with different components? Are you expecting that the price should otherwise be exactly the same? That's never what happens that's not a reasonable assumption. > considering that very few people probably have a USB-C brick designed for charging iPhones This is not a truthful statement. It can be charged by Lightning, which plugs in…

> But it's a different phone with different components? iPhone SE is still $399

Does it still cost the same to produce?

Was it sold at a loss before?

Do you know any of these things?

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