Chess’s Cheating Crisis • Hacker News Board

Re: Chess’s Cheating Crisis

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Post by ben509 » Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 11:57 AM UTC

> Perhaps thinking of Lance Armstrong, he added: “I was a big fan of a certain cyclist and a part of me understands the pressure to succeed at all costs. ..."

Lance Armstrong didn't just cheat, he set up a whole doping ring.[1] The full report is at [2]. Section VI of the Reasoned Decision lays out his efforts to keep a lid on the whole thing.

There are plenty of athletes who get caught up in doping due to the pressures, but Armstrong is not a good example of that.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Armstrong_doping_case#US...

[2]: http://cyclinginvestigation.usada.org/

Re: Chess’s Cheating Crisis

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Post by jml7c5 » Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 12:02 PM UTC

DeusExMachina wrote: post #10

tetris11 wrote: post #2

One way to get around the cameras and the invigilator in the room for a live chess match is to have a small wireless vibrating device somewhere on your body that can encode information such as coordinates and move difficulty. Someone else would have to be watching the game and doing the computer doping on tlyour behalf though

It would probably be simpler to add a second camera at the back of the player, showing is screen and surroundings.

This would not detect the vibrating device that parent described.

Re: Chess’s Cheating Crisis

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Post by kriops » Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 12:06 PM UTC

3np wrote: post #12

> Sarah Longson, a former British ladies’ champion Athletic sports aside, does anyone know the motivation between gender-segregated leagues in games like chess?

The classes are open (people can enter regardless of gender), and female-only. The latter exist primarily as a means for recriuting more women to the sport, as far as I know.

Re: Chess’s Cheating Crisis

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Post by cglace » Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 12:07 PM UTC

nurettin wrote: post #8

Chess drama is the best drama. Anyway it was sad to see armenians disqualified. They are a great team and they absolutely need not cheat. And probably did not. Not sure why petrosian kept looking down in that video, though.

He said he uses a touchpad instead of a mouse and would look down at the touchpad.

Re: Chess’s Cheating Crisis

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Post by paganel » Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 12:08 PM UTC

3np wrote: post #12

> Sarah Longson, a former British ladies’ champion Athletic sports aside, does anyone know the motivation between gender-segregated leagues in games like chess?

> between gender-segregated leagues in games like chess?

Because with few exceptions (the Polgar sisters) they didn't manage to compete on the same level as men. Judit Polgar was the highest-ranking women ever (no. 8, in 2005), but 15 years have passed already and there's no woman-challenger in sight.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judit_Polg%C3%A1r

Re: Chess’s Cheating Crisis

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Post by cglace » Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 12:09 PM UTC

3np wrote: post #12

> Sarah Longson, a former British ladies’ champion Athletic sports aside, does anyone know the motivation between gender-segregated leagues in games like chess?

They say it’s to encourage female participation.

Re: Chess’s Cheating Crisis

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Post by noneeeed » Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 12:11 PM UTC

dalbasal wrote: post #18

“ Paranoia has become the culture ” This. For every actual cheating incident, there are many paranoid suspicions. Chess demands an intense focus, and this makes players react emotionally (see chess tantrums). Paranoia is one of these reactions. This "culture of paranoia" is generally pervasive, not just in chess. Once a paranoia inducing phenomenon (like cheating) exists, the paranoia pervades. People know fb & googl…

I've seen a lot of online conversations recently where the default assumption is that every Olympic sprinter, every cyclist or swimmet, basically every elite athlete is doping. It's pretty sad that we are in a world where you can work incredibly hard to make the most of natural talents and many people will assume you cheated.

Re: Chess’s Cheating Crisis

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Post by bluGill » Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 12:11 PM UTC

> “In his games there were abnormalities, sequences that he played godlike, but there were blunders as well,”

The is the secret to successful cheating: knowing where to use the engine and where to go on your own. It is easy to run engine evaluation after the fact and see if your moves always match up with the engine. However when sometimes they do an sometimes they don't it is hard to know if you just happened to stumble on the best move. Particularly since most everyone regularly studies with an engine and so the best players sometimes will pick out the types of lines the engine will prefer without help.

Please don't take this as advice on how to cheat. Take your losses honestly.

Re: Chess’s Cheating Crisis

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Post by torben-friis » Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 12:11 PM UTC

3np wrote: post #12

> Sarah Longson, a former British ladies’ champion Athletic sports aside, does anyone know the motivation between gender-segregated leagues in games like chess?

I vaguely remember some studies about women underperforming when they perceive their opponent as a man (even playing online). A quick google search might get you some articles on the matter, or the papers themselves.

Re: Chess’s Cheating Crisis

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Post by loxs » Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 12:12 PM UTC

yewenjie wrote: post #13

stabbles wrote: post #11

Too bad lichess.org isn't mentioned; unlike chess dot com it's free, open source and blazingly fast.

And has an interesting tech-stack. Edit: Links. 1. https://lichess.org/source 2. https://github.com/ornicar/lila

Link please? I mean, to something explaining what is interesting and how is it used. I can find the repo on my own but it's not immediately insightful