Too bad lichess.org isn't mentioned; unlike chess dot com it's free, open source and blazingly fast.
Chess’s Cheating Crisis
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#12> Sarah Longson, a former British ladies’ champion
Athletic sports aside, does anyone know the motivation between gender-segregated leagues in games like chess?
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#13Too bad lichess.org isn't mentioned; unlike chess dot com it's free, open source and blazingly fast.
And has an interesting tech-stack.
Edit: Links.
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#14A similar thing has been happening in online contract bridge. https://bridgewinners.com/article/view/the-2020-online-cheat... https://bridgewinners.com/article/view/confession-of-a-self-...
Wait... You can log in to your own online bridge game and see all the hands? Did anyone expect this to not result in blatant cheating? I'm surprised it's an option at all.
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#15One way to get around the cameras and the invigilator in the room for a live chess match is to have a small wireless vibrating device somewhere on your body that can encode information such as coordinates and move difficulty. Someone else would have to be watching the game and doing the computer doping on tlyour behalf though
play in a Faraday cage
As electronic devices become smaller and more integrated, I bet “Faraday Cage Match” is going to be a real thing.
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#16One way to get around the cameras and the invigilator in the room for a live chess match is to have a small wireless vibrating device somewhere on your body that can encode information such as coordinates and move difficulty. Someone else would have to be watching the game and doing the computer doping on tlyour behalf though
When I played (at a national level) people would have a laptop connected and playing in another room. They would play the enemies moves on the computer as the player and playing in the tournament would play the moves made by the computer. I remember a few people getting caught. What's funny about this is that the top players were still better than the AI running on a laptop (back then) and the cheaters occasionally g…
How could the top players be better than any chess engine? It seems like even in 2000 any off the shelf chess engine could beat any human. But I guess not...
It would be neat to see the elo of the engines over time.
EDIT: Heh, deep blue’s famous match happened in 1997. I guess this really is possible. It’s weird growing up with the idea that “every chess engine can beat humans every time”; I wonder when that became true.
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#17A similar thing has been happening in online contract bridge. https://bridgewinners.com/article/view/the-2020-online-cheat... https://bridgewinners.com/article/view/confession-of-a-self-...
Wait... You can log in to your own online bridge game and see all the hands? Did anyone expect this to not result in blatant cheating? I'm surprised it's an option at all.
Well, people could already cheat trivially by communicating with their partners, which would change the game just as much as being able to see all the cards at anything above the beginner level. It was already completely reliant on the honour system.
Still, being able to self-kibitz opens an extra avenue of cheating compared to collusion: you can cheat even if your partner is honest.
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#18“Paranoia has become the culture”
This. For every actual cheating incident, there are many paranoid suspicions. Chess demands an intense focus, and this makes players react emotionally (see chess tantrums). Paranoia is one of these reactions. This "culture of paranoia" is generally pervasive, not just in chess. Once a paranoia inducing phenomenon (like cheating) exists, the paranoia pervades.
People know fb & google are being sneaky with data harvesting for ads, but details are murky. They become convinced the mic is listening to their conversation. People know moderation and shadowbanning exist. They become convinced that they are being suppressed. More crassly, once someone gets a promotion with a bj... the assumption is that everyone did.
Once a basis for paranoia (eg cheating) exists, it'll find a self serving nexus. I didn't lose, I was cheated.
Something we should be keeping an eye on. Online institution building may become the story of the 1920s. This paranoia will play a role.
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#19One way to get around the cameras and the invigilator in the room for a live chess match is to have a small wireless vibrating device somewhere on your body that can encode information such as coordinates and move difficulty. Someone else would have to be watching the game and doing the computer doping on tlyour behalf though
play in a Faraday cage
You can't even play online then
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
When I played (at a national level) people would have a laptop connected and playing in another room. They would play the enemies moves on the computer as the player and playing in the tournament would play the moves made by the computer. I remember a few people getting caught. What's funny about this is that the top players were still better than the AI running on a laptop (back then) and the cheaters occasionally g…
How could the top players be better than any chess engine? It seems like even in 2000 any off the shelf chess engine could beat any human. But I guess not... It would be neat to see the elo of the engines over time. EDIT: Heh, deep blue’s famous match happened in 1997. I guess this really is possible. It’s weird growing up with the idea that “every chess engine can beat humans every time”; I wonder when that became t…
Super GMs often catch cheaters by creating a stale board in the late mid-game and watch opponents make pointless moves many times in a row. It becomes pretty obvious at that moment.