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EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #145
the_duke wrote: post #41

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I recently tried out Hetzner Cloud, after using their dedicated servers for years, and have come away positively surprised. It works well, and the pricing is very appealing. But it's not even remotely in the same league as AWS/GC/Azure. All you get is DNS, private networks, load balancers VMs and storage volumes. That's it. Sure, you can self-host Kubernetes, and they even have a CSI driver for mounting volumes and a…

Well, essentually Herzer is missing PAAS offerings that most modern devs can't live without, especially managed databases.

> especially managed databases.

There are other companies, though, that have great cloud-managed DB offerings. Herzer (I'm not previously familiar with it so don't know if they already do this) would do better to just partner with one of these companies in a "marketplace" like arrangement.

I was extremely close to switching to Aiven-managed postgres until GCP finally supported point-in-time-recovery on postgres.

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

nemo44x wrote: post #296
read_if_gay_ wrote: post #253

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It's not one coherent market though.

Wasn’t that the main selling point of the EU?

It's not to the same degree as the US. There's still different languages and cultures.

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #286
read_if_gay_ wrote: post #243

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I agree that the waste of taxpayer money in Germany is beyond comprehension (while they do take utmost care when it comes to taxing you) and as a young German myself I also agree that many young people just don't question the media, if they get involved in politics at all. But I also know many who do and they've mostly just given up on the country. Because emigration aside, what are you going to do?

>Because emigration aside, what are you going to do? Maybe vote the corrupt leeches out?

That requires a majority. Of course you should vote, but the question is whether it's realistic, given that as we mentioned most people don't seem to care much.

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Post by joejerryronnie »

vetinari wrote: post #227
bserge wrote: post #221

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DARPA literally gives grants to anyone with innovative/crazy/out of the ordinary ideas. It's the opposite in the EU, big companies get funding to develop something. Startups have no chance, unless someone knows someone.

I agree, DARPA objective was to build industry; EU program objectives are to move tax payer's money into private pockets. However, my argument to parent was, that DARPA was also top-down, and it was a success.

I think the most successful model is when large gov agencies (DoD, NIH, etc) fund core, basic research and then intermediaries (Research orgs, Universities, etc) allow that research to be spun off into private companies. Stanford’s approach has been pretty successful.

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Post by bgorman »

diggan wrote: post #184
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #145

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Well, essentually Herzer is missing PAAS offerings that most modern devs can't live without, especially managed databases.

Is "modern devs" the modern "No true Scotsman"? Plenty of developers and organizations get by without managed databases. Although in "7-day sprints on loop forever" world of startups, any effort to require less knowledge to run the stack is probably welcome, hence it seems "most devs can't live without" for a lot of things, like managed databases, containerization and yadda yadda.

Having a managed database is the sweet spot for productivity/efficiency between maintaining a full time database administrator and having engineers learn how to do it themselves.

How can a serious company using a relational database get by without paying for database expertise in some way or another?

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Post by Glawen »

bserge wrote: post #261
LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #249

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Not necessarily, see https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/finance-funding/gettin... You can apply even as a single person, just need to know your ways through the bureaucracy, how to formulate your application, business plan, etc. Not easy, but doable. Or use one of the many services which support you in doing that. There seems to be a service industry around that nowadays, which wasn't the case when I did a few yea…

I really hope that works for already functioning small business, because I did write and apply everywhere I could. I have a British friend who would work with me on this idea of an appliance reuse/recycling factory in NRW (because it's the closest state to the best suppliers from FR/DE/BE/NL). We've done the research, there's little competition and we could be profitable within a year. To summarize the idea: take bro…

In France, the non profit organisation Envie is doing exactly that. It also employs long term unemployed to teach them a trade, it runs similarly as Emmaus. I buy stuff there because of what they do with unemployed people, but I am not sure they turn a profit.

Honestly speaking, it is hard for them to compete with cheap chinese white goods, their used goods are just a tad cheaper than brand new chinese goods.

Check out https://www.envie.org/

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Post by AdrianB1 »

kazen44 wrote: post #267
AdrianB1 wrote: post #231

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I think one of the reasons, other than legislation, is lack of motivation; it is more or less egalitarian and that promotes mediocrity, not innovation. In US you can become filthy rich relatively fast, not in Europe, so why bother? Just see the IT salaries in Europe vs. Silicon Valley, they are a lot lower, so really good and ambitious people move to SV, don't spend time in Europe.

because money is the only prime motivator in life? Also, this egalitarianism and promoting of mediocracy you speak of makes no sense in regards to people who want to attain personal growth. Not to mention having a system like the US comes at a massive cost in regards to the wellbeing and welfare of the general population. Innovating isn't just about money. Not to mention a ton of innovators exists in the EU, they are…

I never said money is the only motivator; also egalitarianism and promoting mediocracy does negatively impact people who want to attain personal growth, being treated the same as the village idiot is not a morale booster. Appreciation is a top motivator according to Maslow.

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Post by durnygbur »

nix23 wrote: post #299
durnygbur wrote: post #107

Let me guess, SAP and Deutsche Telekom will grab the funding? It will be the most expensive and unreliable "cloud services" with arrogant customer service and 24 months contracts.

>Deutsche Telekom Hehe, the most expansive one is the direct copper to vm (DCtV) with unlimited Volume ;))

> unlimited Volume [1]

[1] after exceeding 3GB of storage the IO operations are limited to 32kbit/s

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Post by joejerryronnie »

StreamBright wrote: post #265
barrenko wrote: post #169

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Nope. Big IT (which is highly creative stuff) cannot be built top-down, only bottom up. Europe is and will be an IT wasteland.

Living in the EU and working as a consultant for some time, I could not agree more. In 2020 when every major company and gov agency uses cloud computing there are still many companies in Germany who refuse to do so because of security. I mean nothing concrete or factual, just "because of security concerns". The same companies have weekly security breaches that they are not even aware of always, sometimes customers no…

And when this boondoggle inevitably fails, and Europe falls further behind, the EU will reach for their tried and true hammer - protectionist laws and regulatory capture.

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Post by bushin »

vetinari wrote: post #183
CydeWeys wrote: post #171

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Well, the median household income there is less than one-fourth of the US, with the concomitant lower standard of living you'd expect.

One dollar spent in Russia gets you more than in US. You cannot compare household income directly, you must go through PPP (purchase power parity). Even then, you might have expenses that they don't (medical, for example). So in the end, objective comparison would have to go much deeper, than median household income.

There are only so many turnips you can eat but Apple's Stand is $1000 everywhere.
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