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EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

bserge wrote: post #261
LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not necessarily, see https://europa.eu/youreurope/business/finance-funding/gettin... You can apply even as a single person, just need to know your ways through the bureaucracy, how to formulate your application, business plan, etc. Not easy, but doable. Or use one of the many services which support you in doing that. There seems to be a service industry around that nowadays, which wasn't the case when I did a few yea…

I really hope that works for already functioning small business, because I did write and apply everywhere I could. I have a British friend who would work with me on this idea of an appliance reuse/recycling factory in NRW (because it's the closest state to the best suppliers from FR/DE/BE/NL). We've done the research, there's little competition and we could be profitable within a year. To summarize the idea: take bro…

I'm not sure about that. It seems to work for refurbished computers, which are end of lease. For general appliances I doubt it, because not energy efficient enough, liability, warranty and so on.

Of course common sense would say refurbishing is better for the environment, but common sense? EU?

Anyways, I wish you luck/success.

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Post by liamcardenas »

brazzy wrote: post #195
DangitBobby wrote: post #186

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I think they're claiming that it's important to have a real, credible, well communicated threat of consequences for not following the mandate.

What kind of shit company culture do people have where you need threats to implement a simple, clear-cut technical decision?

Struggling to think of a culture that leads to excellent results as consistently as Amazon

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Post by imtringued »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #153

Whenever I read about the EU's struggles to compete with american tech companies (also SAP vs Salesforce), I think of Steve Yegge's rant on AWS, quote: > So one day Jeff Bezos issued a mandate. He's doing that all the time, of course, and people scramble like ants being pounded with a rubber mallet whenever it happens. But on one occasion -- back around 2002 I think, plus or minus a year -- he issued a mandate that w…

Not sure what you are talking about. If people don't do their job you can just fire them. The only difference is that in e.g. Germany it will result in the employment contract expiring in a few weeks instead of the same day. I don't really see why people make a big deal out of a few weeks as if it is equivalent to waiting until the end of the universe.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by throwaway7281 »

throw0101a wrote: post #200
throwaway7281 wrote: post #13

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The recent COVID-App is a prime example of that. SAP plus German Telekom, neither of which is known for innovation, grab a 60M plus deal to develop a single app. In Italy a startup took over the job for 1/50 of the price and with at least as good or better job. Is the above play a problem for Germany? No. Do you they even understand an problem? I don't think so.

> The recent COVID-App is a prime example of that. SAP plus German Telekom, neither of which is known for innovation, grab a 60M plus deal to develop a single app. Meanwhile in Canada Shopify and Blackberry got together and helped the federal Canadian Digital Service in coding up an app, with the code available on GitHub: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID_Alert * https://www.covidshield.app * https://github.com/C…

Yes, imagine SAP and Telekom would have said: see, we are so profitable and rich beyond our means by extracting value from our economy each and every day, we want to give something back and build this app for free. What kind of ad this would have been.

So they just come across as greedy, corrupt bastard - which probably has the positive side of being very much closer to the truth.

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Post by kazen44 »

juskrey wrote: post #10

This smells a bit Soviet. Instead of allowing small businesses to breathe more freely, take more risk and grow to US size companies (in 3x larger internal market!) they try to build a top down copy using an army of grant and procurement funds eaters.. despicable.

this is no way comparable to the soviet command economy system.

For one, the EU is not an authoritarian state with absolute power over every facet of life. Also, it is not legally the owner of all assets in it's territory.

In no way comparable.

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Post by juskrey »

user5994461 wrote: post #269
juskrey wrote: post #18

BTW Hetzner is a top notch EU cloud with an excellent proposal to finally learn Linux and deploy whatever you want on their industrial grade networking and storage. Instead of feeding an exploding complexities and costs of AWS, Google and Alibaba. I hope they will come to other continents soon.

I highly recommend AGAINST Hetzner. Tried to use it earlier this year. Opened an account to host a new project. Went to login the next week to create the instances and launch the projects. Couldn't login because the Hetzner console was broken for 2 days. Yes you heard right, everything was broken and unusable for 2 days. Imagine the AWS console down for 2 days for comparison, that doesn't happen. Few days later when…

They have also answered me on twitter and email. All within several hours or less. But anyway, even if such terrible situation really happened, two weeks? I would have changed provider the next day. Not counting the fact I duplicate critical production deployments and replication on two providers always.

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Post by durnygbur »

umvi wrote: post #252
ivanovb wrote: post #189

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On the other part of E.U., in Romania, no matter what kind of business you want to start you need to battle with the bureaucracy. Out of high-tech domain, I was thinking that my grandma could sell the jam she makes - but she can't sell it legally if it's produced in her own house - no matter how low is the production. Maybe just at some kind of farmers market, but that is iffy. If I want to invoice some custom develo…

What's the point of having social safety nets if you can't exercise them taking risks? Seems like a crying shame.

Social safety nets in post-Communist EU countries are purely theoretical. People throw money at bureaucratic structures which evaporate the money. Practicaly, think US-level of "social safety net", including healthcare. I'm not exagerating.

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Post by user5994461 »

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #251
user5994461 wrote: post #245

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Salaries are irrelevant since it's close to impossible for an European worker to move to the US, work visas are incredibly difficult to get and even if you manage to get one you don't have the same careers prospects as a native. edited: reworded to "close to impossible"

> Salaries are irrelevant since it's not possible for an European worker to move to the US I know plenty who did. You should rather say something like it's hard for the average European worker to move to the US.

Hard is an understatement. I had multiple friends who had offers from US companies on the table for $200k+. They all fell through because it was impossible to get a visa (however internships are easy with a J1).

The one who went the furthest worked remotely for a very well known company from France for 2 years. Even with the company sponsoring the visa, he had to wait more than 1 year to have a shot, the lottery only happening once a year. He didn't get selected and eventually the company gave up on having any hope to ever bring him.

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

umvi wrote: post #252
ivanovb wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other part of E.U., in Romania, no matter what kind of business you want to start you need to battle with the bureaucracy. Out of high-tech domain, I was thinking that my grandma could sell the jam she makes - but she can't sell it legally if it's produced in her own house - no matter how low is the production. Maybe just at some kind of farmers market, but that is iffy. If I want to invoice some custom develo…

What's the point of having social safety nets if you can't exercise them taking risks? Seems like a crying shame.

It’s like the safety net is not just below you, but also above.

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Post by barumi »

amelius wrote: post #85
bsaul wrote: post #6

As a european, i still think those kind of measures are trying to cure the symptoms by throwing huge pile of cash, rather that fix the core issue : that the private sector in europe is currently unable to produce GAFA-sized companies in the IT sector. My intuition is that once again the money will be grabbed by existing big companies that proved unable to innovate, but are the best at capturing public fundings. EDIT…

The EU just needs an investor climate similar to the US. The only problem is that investors like the idea of cornering markets, which, due to regulation, is harder in the EU.

> The EU just needs an investor climate similar to the US.

What leads you to believe that europe's problem is the investor climate?

I mean, this policy is clearly devoted to ensure that europe is able to control and manage critical cloud infrastructure, instead of handing everything in a silver platter to the US or, even worse, China. What leads you cto believe that a change in europe's investor climate would have an impact on this?

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