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EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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BTW Hetzner is a top notch EU cloud with an excellent proposal to finally learn Linux and deploy whatever you want on their industrial grade networking and storage. Instead of feeding an exploding complexities and costs of AWS, Google and Alibaba. I hope they will come to other continents soon.

Hetzner user here, it's still very barebone compared to US cloud providers (but amazing pricing). No IAM, no EKS, it's mainly a VPS provider just like OVH.

Scaleway looked closer to an AWS competitor but I haven't used it enough to know how good it is.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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It seems difficult to be protectionist when it comes to online services... And do you really want to live in that world? Do you want your government to build a great firewall and limit your access to content from outside of your country?

yes. i do want that. i do not like American products at all. i would love to see alternatives that actually work and are competitive.

>i do not like American products at all.

Why?

No doubt you'd be the first to howl should an American say "I do not like European (tech) products at all". (Well, if there were any to dislike.)

>i would love to see alternatives that actually work and are competitive.

Why not ask for the moon and the stars while you're at it? You make it sound like all that is needed to develop (as tachyonbeam pointed out) European equivalents to "Google, Duckduckgo, YouTube, Uber, Facebook, Dropbox, Amazon, Netflix, etc" is to shut down access from anywhere in Europe to and from these companies. Do this today and tomorrow EUGoogle and EuroFacebook will appear as if out of nowhere! Why didn't Brussels (or Paris, or Berlin) think of this already?

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Whenever I think of the EU I can't think of a single tech giant from there, countries that come to mind for me are the US, China, Japan and Taiwan. The only things I know about the EU when it comes to tech is it trying to push massive global regulations around tech. For reference I'm a 23 year old from the US. Nothing I have is made in Europe and I don't deal with any EU companies. Even my bike computer was made by a…

Spotify, Booking.com, Adyen, Takeaway.com, ASML are a couple I'm aware of - with a bias to the country I happen to be from.

Also note that the EU is not always trying to push for global regulations - it's trying to push for EU-wide regulations which, by virtue of being strictest and a superset of global regulations, often end up as global regulations.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Now this is a claim you'll need to substantiate!

Do I need to going into the whole blameing tech for "fake news" while the media spreads it themselves? Who wants to invest in what will be scapegoat for law makers to cry at?

Social media did kind of spawn a new wave of christian terrorism in the U.S. in the form of Qanon.. so... the concern is not entirely unfounded.

We cannot blame the userbase entirely, because the platforms themselves are designed to funnel people into thought bubbles where they can have access to as much batshit nonsense as they can fit into their eye and earholes.

Plus even Homeland Security acknowledges that social media is a threat to national security, having recently published a report detailing how popular platforms could be used to create chaos through misinformation in the midst of our next election... So there are definitely some valid concerns...

Actually, I forgot that christian terrorism is actually global now, with the Christchurch (N.Z.) mosque shooter having inspired multiple copycat terrorist attacks in California (U.S.), Texas (U.S.) and Norway. Of course these massacres are in addition to the other, white-supremacist christian terror attacks that had already been widespread in the United States before COVID took us all out of public places.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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As an EU citizen, I don't believe for a second that this will result in anything useful, ever. There's too much vested interest that's quietly making the politicians do what the big business wants. Has been the case for a long time now. The only thing that's going to happen is that those big and old companies will get their hands on that funding while fulfilling exactly zero of their promises.

It’s pretty similar here in the US. What do you think the solution is? I don’t like the consolidation and regulatory capture I see everywhere.

The solution is de-regulation.

In France if you want to run an open WiFi you need a license from the national comms authority for instance.

But it won't happen. Too much bureaucracy. It's in the European mindset.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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You want your access to Google, Duckduckgo, YouTube, Uber, Facebook, Dropbox, Amazon, Netflix, etc to be blocked?

Yes. I want that. This would lead to a local tech scene, actually REALLY localised products (where you dont have to wait till google decides to roll out features in Germany after 7 years) and best of all: JOBS. This would lead to millions of jobs. It would make Europe super interesting for high skilled labor and bring a nice twist into the migration problem we are facing now. Yes, this would hurt America, but yeah...…

So.... Internet censorship.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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post #53

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Now this is a claim you'll need to substantiate!

Do I need to going into the whole blameing tech for "fake news" while the media spreads it themselves? Who wants to invest in what will be scapegoat for law makers to cry at?

And Newspapers have started wars with fake news.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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As a european, i still think those kind of measures are trying to cure the symptoms by throwing huge pile of cash, rather that fix the core issue : that the private sector in europe is currently unable to produce GAFA-sized companies in the IT sector. My intuition is that once again the money will be grabbed by existing big companies that proved unable to innovate, but are the best at capturing public fundings. EDIT…

Apologies for the stupid question, as I feel like I’m missing something obvious: why is that? Is it the regulatory environment?

It's not a stupid question.

First of all, none of the GAFA were actually started as Cloud infrastructure providers. So the question is not why isn't Europe creating big Cloud Infrastructure companies, one could argue that the biggest "pure-player" in Cloud is OVH which is European.

If anything it's the (insanely lax and pro-monopoly) American regulatory environment that has the biggest impact on the creation of big Cloud providers outside of the U.S. The only country that manage tyo do that are China & Russia to a lesser extent because they have active protection against AWS/GCP/MS.

As to why Europe doesn't create big GAFA-like companies in other sectors, one reason is that the E.U is not a single market from the perspective of these companies. Yes the regulatory environment is stable & simple enough for companies to operate in all E.U countries, but that's not all that makes a market.

The fact that europeans speak 27 different languages for instance makes building a european sized company much harder than a U.S sized one, for roughly the same market in terms of $$$.

EDIT: I don't think creating GAFA-style companies is a goal any state should pursue. The U.S needs to get their head out of their ass and split AMZN & Google ASAP, & fix Facebook.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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As a European I can't help thinking that this amount of money is the result of lobbying from the tech scene and that they are now waiting to bid for public contracts to win projects that they set up themselves through consultancy jobs that also were public call for tenders.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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if you ask normal people, they will hate this - only some data fanatics want this feature. people die. the economy is suffering. millions lose jobs. still, some guys making 140k in their it engineering jobs working from home and relaxing are telling me sth about "data privacy as priority". i disagree. people disagree. Taiwan did a FANTASTIC job leveraging data. we are either not capable of that or just fanatic.... ma…

> if you ask normal people, they will hate this - only some data fanatics want this feature. Show the evidence. Wanting data privacy is far from the fringe minority sentiment you imply it to be, otherwise GDPR wouldn't be so popular.

life and death vs annoying ads. i think there is a difference, mate.
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