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Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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Post by thekyle »

heelix wrote: post #70
varispeed wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am going with XPS as well. Honestly I couldn't find a better laptop at the time with features that are important to me, but even so it is still a nightmare to use. It runs hot, can't play HD videos on YT (Google doesn't support hardware decoding in Chrome) and I couldn't get NVidia drivers to work properly. I am going to buy a laptop with AMD cpu next year. I hope that if more people do it Dell will finally drop In…

I picked up one of the XPS 17" laptops. The screen is just gorgeous. If you go Centos on it, be prepared to do battle with the killer nic. (argh)

Curious, why CentOS instead of Fedora?

Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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Post by apoorvkumar »

ju-st wrote: post #35
localhost wrote: post #13

The difference in compile times between the AMD 4700U and the 1165G7 is stunning. Sure, it has 2x the cores but in the same TDP. Waiting for the premium Ryzen laptops to ship. Hoping the Surface Laptop 4 will be the premium Ryzen laptop that I've been waiting for (if I ever need to use a laptop again ...)

Don't trust TDP numbers. In the Anandtech Tiger Lake review the AMD 4700U used actually 30W instead of 15W for a significant time of the benchmark: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16084/intel-tiger-lake-review... I'd guess a "15W TDP" AMD CPU would consume 30W continuously if the cooling could cope with it.

So does Intel. A 2x boost power consumption is pretty standard and Intel often goes beyond that with its turbo.

Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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Post by orev »

meddlepal wrote: post #40
sippingjippers wrote: post #23

I moved to XPS 15 as my first non-Mac machine in over 10 years, and I must say I'm far from impressed by the build quality. These laptops are gorgeous new, but they are SO fragile. One of the screen hinges is broken, I've replaced numerous keys, the keyboard is now developing some debounce/key registration issue all over the right-hand side, the speakers are both blown (left first then the right), the trackpad sits 0…

The fragility of Dell's consumer laptops is why I continue to buy Lenovo's which are less sleek but have better durability and run Linux just fine. In recent memory I've had an X1 Carbon and X1 Carbon Extreme Gen 1 and been very satisfied.

The X1s are part of Lenovo’s business line, not consumer, so you’d need to be comparing to the Dell Latitudes to make it fair.

Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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Post by hackerfromthefu »

sippingjippers wrote: post #23

I moved to XPS 15 as my first non-Mac machine in over 10 years, and I must say I'm far from impressed by the build quality. These laptops are gorgeous new, but they are SO fragile. One of the screen hinges is broken, I've replaced numerous keys, the keyboard is now developing some debounce/key registration issue all over the right-hand side, the speakers are both blown (left first then the right), the trackpad sits 0…

XPS line is plagued by constant quality control issues that Dell doesn't fix year after year, generation after generation. With XPS 15 look up the expanding/exploding battery issue, thermal throttling etc. Mine (XPS 15 9550) also had issues with the hinge, the power cable, having to fight dell to get an adapter to fit the second drive which they stated stated it supports, and intense fan noise then especially after the Meltdown mitigations were applied I gave up on it completely.

Their strength is in quality peripherals, ie screen etc, but their weakness is garbage quality control and it's so overpriced for that.

If you can, avoid XPS! If you can't well .. purchase extended warranty with the on-site option, you're gonna need it ..

Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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Post by hackerfromthefu »

trentnix wrote: post #34
sippingjippers wrote: post #23

I moved to XPS 15 as my first non-Mac machine in over 10 years, and I must say I'm far from impressed by the build quality. These laptops are gorgeous new, but they are SO fragile. One of the screen hinges is broken, I've replaced numerous keys, the keyboard is now developing some debounce/key registration issue all over the right-hand side, the speakers are both blown (left first then the right), the trackpad sits 0…

That trackpad issue sounds like a swollen battery.

Yup, it's a well known issue with the XPS line. It's also dangerous as they can start fires..

Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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Post by hackerfromthefu »

morsch wrote: post #30
sippingjippers wrote: post #23

I moved to XPS 15 as my first non-Mac machine in over 10 years, and I must say I'm far from impressed by the build quality. These laptops are gorgeous new, but they are SO fragile. One of the screen hinges is broken, I've replaced numerous keys, the keyboard is now developing some debounce/key registration issue all over the right-hand side, the speakers are both blown (left first then the right), the trackpad sits 0…

Our 5 year old XPS 13 isn't showing any signs of wear and tear. Maybe they were built better back then.

The quality appears to be very random, which isn't what you want with a high end device. But if you're one of the lottery winners, great!

Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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Post by hackerfromthefu »

cehrlich wrote: post #56
ankushnarula wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thinkpad T14 Ryzen also has 400 and 500 nit build-to-order screen options.

The 400 nit panel has ridiculous amounts of ghosting (to the point where you can see it just by moving the mouse pointer), and the 500 nit panel is a “privacy” option which means worse than TN viewing angles. Unfortunately Lenovo is currently limiting the good screen to Intel for whatever reason.

Yup .. I was seriously considering buying one except for the ridiculous screen options!

The x13 has an almost acceptable screen but non-touch, and single channel ram issues if I remember right.

There just doesn't seem to be a really good ryzen laptop on the market. I'm vaguely hoping the MS surface laptop 4 releases with a nice surprise of reduced bezels and two pcie ssd slots!

Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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Post by fluffy87 »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #26

what is exciting about Tiger Lake IMO is the memory tagging feature (ARM has it already) which can mitigate ROP attacks. It was announced here: https://newsroom.intel.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2020/... memory tagging is like a hardware based ASAN that eliminates many memory bugs and improves memory debugging. So its potential is well beyond mitigating ROP (though all these benchmarks will change with memory tag…

Hard to be excited about this when ASAN only catches a small fraction of only the easiest to debug memory safety issues, and when hardware support for these like the one in SPARC or in ARM CHERI require a significant amount of programmer and toolchain cooperation, and still do not manage to reasonable speed up Valgribd, MSAN, etc.

Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310

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sippingjippers wrote: post #23

I moved to XPS 15 as my first non-Mac machine in over 10 years, and I must say I'm far from impressed by the build quality. These laptops are gorgeous new, but they are SO fragile. One of the screen hinges is broken, I've replaced numerous keys, the keyboard is now developing some debounce/key registration issue all over the right-hand side, the speakers are both blown (left first then the right), the trackpad sits 0…

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