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Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by ratherbefuddled »

confluence_perf wrote: post #22
originalvichy wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t share the same experiences with slowness (maybe we do something right on the instances we manage). I do however experience slowness in cloud. I assume they increase cloud resources in some kinds of steps that make them appear extremely sluggish.

Sorry to hear it's been a frustrating experience. I'm a PM for Confluence Cloud and we're always trying to make it better. Would you be willing to share more specifics, such as: - Pages with content X are the slowest - Trying to do A/B/C is annoyingly slow - etc ?

You should be able to experience the slowness for yourself by spending a few minutes using your product. Then try something like notion or pretty much any other web app and notice how your blood pressure drops and your stress levels decrease.

It is not a particular area it is the whole thing. Every interaction makes me want to gouge my own eyes out. It's a glorified text area with a menu, why should every click cause dozens of requests that take more than 10 seconds to complete?

I can only conclude Atlassian engineering is utterly disfunctional for this to have gone on so long unimproved.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by MaulingMonkey »

Gamedev needs on-site VCS - we just have far too much VCS traffic for general internet links to handle. I mean, maybe you can build a microwave link directly to a datacenter Atlassian is using to host bitbucket... but no. To be fair, gamedev typically uses p4, not git, so maybe this doesn't have much impact there.

Gamedev still sometimes resorts to at least partially airgapped networks, which is going to make VCS JIRA integration a pain. I wonder if this will finally cause JIRA to get replaced in gamedev.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by ratherbefuddled »

Nullabillity wrote: post #73
pc86 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While we had very similar experiences - only used JIRA but the performance was borderline-unusable - I've heard reputable sources say that configuration plays a tremendous role in that. I'm inclined to believe we just hadn't configured it "correctly," but the fact that you can destroy performance by casual misconfiguration is itself a pretty big issue. I've heard the same about cloud performance, which seems to be an…

When I used JIRA Cloud about a year ago I measured 30s+ load times on every single page. For a nearly-empty instance with no customizations, just their scrum template.

Yes, it's like that out of the box. The next gen stuff offers no improvement whatsoever.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by ratherbefuddled »

elliotpage wrote: post #166

I would guess that this move is because because their software runs like a bag of hammers falling down a flight of stairs and the last thing they want to deal with are your support calls about why their products dont work right. Don't get me wrong, they can work smoothly- just it takes an order of magnitude more work than you would expect / they would admit. To be slightly more charitable, this is a sensible move as…

It is trash on cloud, worse than server by a distance unfortunately.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by znpy »

This is probably a dick move that will cost Atlassian quite a bit in the future.

For starters, the on-prem version is way faster than their cloud offering. We recently had this experience and their cloud version is nice and everything... But it's slow. Damn. Slow. Everything is slow. The UI is slow. Network requests are slow. Hardly bearable.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by m463 »

originalvichy wrote: post #10

This sounds like a terrible move and will probably force all medium-size organizations I work with to ditch Atlassian. We have the technical know-how to administer data center versions of their products, but we can’t do shit if they force potential customers to pay for a minimum of 40 000 USD for a license per product. Many of these orgs have multiple Atlassian products so this will probably end up doubling costs on…

I agree. this is a jump-the-shark move.

I've worked with confluence and jira and they are not as good as other products - but we can put any kind of confidential data in them. Everybody likes sharepoint/google docs/slack way better.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by sien »

vkou wrote: post #203
AlphaSite wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can you be worse than JIRA? Thats almost impressive.

HP Quality Center.

OMG.

In the place I worked at with quality there was a multi page document on how to file a ticket. It was a nightmare.

Re: Atlassian moving to cloud-only, will stop selling server licenses

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Post by laurent92 »

chii wrote: post #127
jeff_redradish wrote: post #102

For any soon-to-be-ex Atlassian Server (self-hosted) customers, I've set up a Zulip server for discussing alternatives: https://chat.goodbyeserver.org/ It's an difficult position Atlassian are inflicting on tens of thousands of customers. Atlassian's self-hosted products are uniquely flexible, being built on a plugin architecture, and many orgs have indeed customized Jira extensively with plugins, notably ScriptRunne…

> open-source their discontinued Server product line little did you know, the source code for atlassian server products is already available for any paying customers. It's not FOSS, but if you need to run this yourself, and customize it, it's already possible. But of course, you will be responsible for keeping it updated (patching vulnerabilities from libraries etc).

I’ve never succeeded to compile it, and like Android, most of the code is in non-public plugins. I’ve been a developer for long and we can only use it to look at algos of the core product, but not execute them.
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