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Re: We Tested Comma AI's OpenPilot

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Post by qznc »

stuff4ben wrote: post #78

How long before we start seeing traditional car manufacturers just incorporating this into their vehicles? Why develop your own ADAS software when Comma.AI and OpenPilot can just plugin into their hardware?

It would have to be much cheaper. I would guess a front camera from a Tier-1 supplier will cost the manufacturer some millions in development (fitting in physically, UI, and protocols) and then a few hundred per device once. Tier-1s optimize for every cent for mature features like ACC as the margins are low.

Re: We Tested Comma AI's OpenPilot

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Post by matz1 »

shiftpgdn wrote: post #98
mellosouls wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really hard to see why you would buy this system for $1100 if you can just buy a new car and get this all for free A key phrase here is "just buy a new car". You might be able to afford that but most can't. I don't know what Comma AI's market strategy is but I would imagine there is a huge potential aftermarket for gizmos like this in capable older motors, with that growing as time moves on and the enabling tech…

The only manufacturer who is doing better than Comma is Tesla. Every single manufacturer (including Audi and Cadillac) are years behind Comma in terms of performance.

Then why don't manufacturer just use openpilot ? afaik its free and the code is in the github.

Re: We Tested Comma AI's OpenPilot

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Post by fudged71 »

jimmyjack wrote: post #47

I want a device that will not control the car but will give more a ton of real-time information, ideally projected on some corner of my windshield. Information including: 1. Speed limit for the area/road I am in. 2. Real time radar report telling me how many cars/pedestrians e.t.c are around me. 3. Information on common accident types in the area I am driving in. 4. For my corner of the world, it will be good to get…

>3. Information on common accident types in the area I am driving in.

I think this one is incredibly important. Although drivers/AI need to maintain an adequate level of preparedness for general situations... cities and police departments have historical data for accidents. There should be notifications about specific things to look out for. Net-net this might actually reduce accidents

Re: We Tested Comma AI's OpenPilot

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Post by mitchellgoffpc »

p1esk wrote: post #89
woeirua wrote: post #83

It's neat, and a good application of the technology, but honestly I don't see this taking off because the gap between the tech and execution is closing quickly. Comma was really far ahead of everyone 5 years ago. But... we have gone from a situation where the Level 2 systems available in most new cars went from an impractical gimmick, to very useful and comparable to this in just a few years. New Toyota's (MY 2020) a…

I did buy a new car a few months ago, and the best possible driver assist features were a priority for me. I bought Chrysler Pacifica minivan with their "advanced" driver assist package. It's just an adaptive cruise control plus warnings when I drift off out of a clearly marked lane. It does not offer a lane keeping ability. That's a $50k 2020 model with all premium features added. I haven't tried Comma, but from wha…

Yeah, the stock driver assists in most cars still need a LOT of work. I drove from San Diego to LA last weekend with a comma, and openpilot handled the entire trip without a single disengagement until I got off the highway. I’d be really impressed to see a stock LKA manage the same (although I’ve heard great things about super cruise!)

Re: We Tested Comma AI's OpenPilot

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Post by Cytobit »

woeirua wrote: post #91
ProjectBarks wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad you are happy with your new Toyota but I think you are giving too much confidence in it's ability. Look at this evaluation between OpenPilot and Toyota TSS 2.0 https://youtu.be/z5-inxH92wM Also free to checkout navigating SF with OpenPilot https://youtu.be/0TpMMoQ7GGg (30 min). I highly doubt you would find similar results with a Toyota TSS 2.0 system. Nevertheless, I will let the contents of the videos spea…

I have a Subaru with Eyesight, not a Toyota. But my point was more so that one of the most popular car manufacturers is giving away a system that is probably 70% as good as OpenPilot. Those videos didn't really change my mind. I'm not convinced at all that it's really that much better on the highway. It's definitely better for non-highway driving, but it also had a few disengagements that he had to intervene for. Loo…

> New Toyota's (MY 2020)

> I have a Subaru with Eyesight, not a Toyota.

I'm guessing MY = Model Year?

Re: We Tested Comma AI's OpenPilot

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Post by omgwtfbyobbq »

matz1 wrote: post #102
shiftpgdn wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only manufacturer who is doing better than Comma is Tesla. Every single manufacturer (including Audi and Cadillac) are years behind Comma in terms of performance.

Then why don't manufacturer just use openpilot ? afaik its free and the code is in the github.

Liability maybe? The same reason why everything except for TACC with Tesla is considered beta and you have to consent to always be ready to intervene to use it.

Re: We Tested Comma AI's OpenPilot

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Post by m463 »

retSava wrote: post #11
raziel2p wrote: post #3

The most surprising part about this to me is that there seems to be a somewhat standardized computer interface for controlling cars with an external device. I would never have guessed that, I thought for sure every maker would come up with their own unique design and require you to buy adapters or whatnot.

It's mandated by regulation in all cars after..2002? It's a port most often situated close to the steering wheel, the interface is a bog standard CAN bus. Where it differs between cars is what command sets are used and allowed (eg sometimes proprietary ones are used, and controlling things may not be possible). It's common to extract diagnostics about the car from this port. For example, when buying a used car this i…

mandated for cars that have emissions requirements.

I think the obd connector on tesla doesn't do anything

Re: We Tested Comma AI's OpenPilot

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Post by meowface »

arc0 wrote: post #73
SwimSwimHungry wrote: post #2

George Hotz continues to keep blowing up the tech space somehow. I legitimately wonder if he's a savant, because he seems unstoppable. I did hear he has also stood on the shoulders of giants to get to where he is as well, so who knows.

He streams on Youtube/Twitch fairly regularly, just from watching it is totally obvious that he is a genius-level programmer. The speed with which he reads and comprehends academic papers is incredibly impressive.

I watch and very much enjoy his Twitch streams, and he's definitely and obviously very intelligent, but I'd say not necessarily more than a top ~70th percentile HN commenter who works in software engineering. I don't think he's necessarily a genius, but just super curious and motivated and confident in his ability to learn anything if he dedicates enough time and practice.

You can see his learning and motivation process in his streams, when he dives into something he's totally unfamiliar with. It's very inspiring and fun to follow along with (partly because he clearly is having fun). He really enjoys learning things and has the kind of ego (not in a bad way) that just doesn't let anything stop him from trying to catch up on any concept in any field, even if he's totally "veering outside his lane" and going in blind (like his COVID-19 bioscience streams). He has a deep, almost hypomanic hunger for knowledge, and keeps Googling things until he understands everything he's reading. I think a lot of it's psychological and not purely IQ/cognitive speed, though of course it helps.

If anyone's curious, you can find an archive of his streams here: https://www.youtube.com/c/commaaiarchive

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