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The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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And the freeing of half of Europe from tyranny. The reduction in threat of nuclear annihilation of the world. The opening up of huge amounts of the world to free trade and prosperity.

I think it's fair to say that the role of US policies, and Reagan's policies in particular, on the fall of the Soviet Union is a matter of some debate.

Fahd often doesn't get the credit I think he ought: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24740207

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Trade embargos? Small ones at first, with an clear plan to plan and timeline to escalate if there's no change. Of course, it would mean putting the lives of those poor people our over our comfort, which means it won't happen.

IMO, the case of the Nobel prize and salmon ban showed the opposite - that is inexpensive for China to punish a country, but not the opposite. A long analysis has actually been written on this topic: https://www.cmi.no/publications/5805-too-big-to-fault While on one hand, a coordinated punishment may be effective, on the other hand, I think China has the power to buy other countries' consent step by step. Additionall…

> Additionally, I think China would never relent; doing so would be an admission of guilt, which is poisonous for their regime.

They could spin it in the same manner as Putin - "those degenerate Western bastards are against us, we need to be strong and united to face them etc.".

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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When does something become a crime against humanity? Is terrorism, like handful of men and women just stabbing random people with kitchen knives on a train station, is that a crime against humanity? What do you do, when a group of people constantly advocate for such crimes?

By that logic, what should the world do if a country is violating basic human rights of over a million people?

Take a good look at the pictures floating around on twitter depicting a french school teacher beheaded near Paris today, and tell me with a straight face that Islamism has nothing to do with such acts. I am not sure who are worse, them or the apologists. I refuse to sit idling while my kin is killed by the sword. And people who can't see through this NGO bullshit deserve every bit of hell they bring upon themselves.

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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That’s disturbing. Still, unlike in China there are lawmakers publicly trying to stop it, and we are free to speak & write about it and say that it’s wrong

attempt is not same as elimination of problem. probably in China there are people who protest against persecution of uighurs too, but we don't see it.

Yes and that’s a problem. The way to fix it is not part of the system and that’s a major issue. You need freedom of speech at a very minimum. China does not have that which is why “no one sees it”

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By that logic, what should the world do if a country is violating basic human rights of over a million people?

What is a basic human right? If you have a community of a million humans that constantly cause trouble, stab random people, blow themselves up, drive through crowds of people to make a quasi political-religious statement, doesn't that merit some kind of bad treatment? You reap what you sow. I am sorry, but the last decade of islamic terrorism, senseless killings of innocent people, of KIDS infront of their families,…

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Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Uighurs and the other 50+ minorities are an integral part of China, which regardless of ruling body, has 5,000yr history of integrating minorities within its civilization state, hence its enormous population.

If Uighurs were in fact being persecuted as the west claims, there would be mass protests, terrorism, and refugees fleeing across the border--something that would be impossible to conceal and highly publicized by the west.

The reality is Uighurs live all over China and are well integrated into society. In Xinjiang, many are afforded the opportunity to get additional education and job training to be productive citizens, as those with a bright future are less likely to be disenfranchised and resort to violence.

The US/western led smear campaign against China is nothing more than a poorly conceived containment strategy to demonize a country that has succeeded against all odds, while in the process, has made western govts look incompetent by comparison--despite their 'democracy and freedoms.'

China is being alienated and used as a scapegoat, largely to distract public sentiment in the west from the failings of their own govts. In the case of the US, China poses a threat to post WWII hegemony which is nothing more than a euphemism for maintaining white supremacy via the 5 Eyes Anglo alliance with CAN/UK/AUS/NZ.

The US led west has been indiscriminately bombing innocent civilians suspected of terrorism for last 20yrs, while renditioning known terrorists to offshore black sites where they can mete out any form of torture/punishment with impunity and zero consequences. Is it rational to believe theyre sincerely concerned about the well being of Uighurs...

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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The problem is most Chinese approves Chinese government, and why people from outside keep shouting 'you are not happy' to them.

How could you possibly know the feelings of most Chinese citizens when they aren’t allowed to express them?

That's the problem. You refuse to listen to my words. If nothing is expressed, why do you assume the opposite? In reality, most common people are happily to be there, silently, without expressing their happiness in words. People will express anger more often. The same reason that an average person living a normal life won't make into the news.

You got me there :) I guess You can always travel. It is a very different place, noisy, crowded, but you can learn about it first hand.

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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No Iraqi is comparing US to Iraq. I don't understand why there is always a contest between US and China. US is a developed country, and China is a developing country. It is not a beauty contest. Also there does have to be only one winner. Maybe, just maybe, there is no need to mess up another country.

Genuine question: what is it that qualifies China as a developing nation? The last thing on my mind when I think of China is "its a developing nation." China seems to own quite an empire.

Even if China has the same GDP as US, the per capital GDP will be 1/6. That's the reality. There are cities in China is comparable to western cities, especially infrastructure, because the country has invested a lot in infrastructures. Americans have to know their position. They are not developed world, they are superpower. Below US there are developed world, then developing world, then there are not-developing world (we keep forgetting them).

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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No Iraqi is comparing US to Iraq. I don't understand why there is always a contest between US and China. US is a developed country, and China is a developing country. It is not a beauty contest. Also there does have to be only one winner. Maybe, just maybe, there is no need to mess up another country.

Genuine question: what is it that qualifies China as a developing nation? The last thing on my mind when I think of China is "its a developing nation." China seems to own quite an empire.

Personally I believe once a nation reach developed status, the main task for the government will not be generating new source of income and improve people's life financially, it will be about how to distribute wealth fairly.

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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What is a basic human right? If you have a community of a million humans that constantly cause trouble, stab random people, blow themselves up, drive through crowds of people to make a quasi political-religious statement, doesn't that merit some kind of bad treatment? You reap what you sow. I am sorry, but the last decade of islamic terrorism, senseless killings of innocent people, of KIDS infront of their families,…

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