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And the freeing of half of Europe from tyranny. The reduction in threat of nuclear annihilation of the world. The opening up of huge amounts of the world to free trade and prosperity.
I think it's fair to say that the role of US policies, and Reagan's policies in particular, on the fall of the Soviet Union is a matter of some debate.
The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity
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Trade embargos? Small ones at first, with an clear plan to plan and timeline to escalate if there's no change. Of course, it would mean putting the lives of those poor people our over our comfort, which means it won't happen.
IMO, the case of the Nobel prize and salmon ban showed the opposite - that is inexpensive for China to punish a country, but not the opposite. A long analysis has actually been written on this topic: https://www.cmi.no/publications/5805-too-big-to-fault While on one hand, a coordinated punishment may be effective, on the other hand, I think China has the power to buy other countries' consent step by step. Additionall…
They could spin it in the same manner as Putin - "those degenerate Western bastards are against us, we need to be strong and united to face them etc.".
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#313When does something become a crime against humanity? Is terrorism, like handful of men and women just stabbing random people with kitchen knives on a train station, is that a crime against humanity? What do you do, when a group of people constantly advocate for such crimes?
By that logic, what should the world do if a country is violating basic human rights of over a million people?
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That’s disturbing. Still, unlike in China there are lawmakers publicly trying to stop it, and we are free to speak & write about it and say that it’s wrong
attempt is not same as elimination of problem. probably in China there are people who protest against persecution of uighurs too, but we don't see it.
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By that logic, what should the world do if a country is violating basic human rights of over a million people?
What is a basic human right? If you have a community of a million humans that constantly cause trouble, stab random people, blow themselves up, drive through crowds of people to make a quasi political-religious statement, doesn't that merit some kind of bad treatment? You reap what you sow. I am sorry, but the last decade of islamic terrorism, senseless killings of innocent people, of KIDS infront of their families,…
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#316If Uighurs were in fact being persecuted as the west claims, there would be mass protests, terrorism, and refugees fleeing across the border--something that would be impossible to conceal and highly publicized by the west.
The reality is Uighurs live all over China and are well integrated into society. In Xinjiang, many are afforded the opportunity to get additional education and job training to be productive citizens, as those with a bright future are less likely to be disenfranchised and resort to violence.
The US/western led smear campaign against China is nothing more than a poorly conceived containment strategy to demonize a country that has succeeded against all odds, while in the process, has made western govts look incompetent by comparison--despite their 'democracy and freedoms.'
China is being alienated and used as a scapegoat, largely to distract public sentiment in the west from the failings of their own govts. In the case of the US, China poses a threat to post WWII hegemony which is nothing more than a euphemism for maintaining white supremacy via the 5 Eyes Anglo alliance with CAN/UK/AUS/NZ.
The US led west has been indiscriminately bombing innocent civilians suspected of terrorism for last 20yrs, while renditioning known terrorists to offshore black sites where they can mete out any form of torture/punishment with impunity and zero consequences. Is it rational to believe theyre sincerely concerned about the well being of Uighurs...
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The problem is most Chinese approves Chinese government, and why people from outside keep shouting 'you are not happy' to them.
How could you possibly know the feelings of most Chinese citizens when they aren’t allowed to express them?
You got me there :) I guess You can always travel. It is a very different place, noisy, crowded, but you can learn about it first hand.
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No Iraqi is comparing US to Iraq. I don't understand why there is always a contest between US and China. US is a developed country, and China is a developing country. It is not a beauty contest. Also there does have to be only one winner. Maybe, just maybe, there is no need to mess up another country.
Genuine question: what is it that qualifies China as a developing nation? The last thing on my mind when I think of China is "its a developing nation." China seems to own quite an empire.
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No Iraqi is comparing US to Iraq. I don't understand why there is always a contest between US and China. US is a developed country, and China is a developing country. It is not a beauty contest. Also there does have to be only one winner. Maybe, just maybe, there is no need to mess up another country.
Genuine question: what is it that qualifies China as a developing nation? The last thing on my mind when I think of China is "its a developing nation." China seems to own quite an empire.
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#320Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is a basic human right? If you have a community of a million humans that constantly cause trouble, stab random people, blow themselves up, drive through crowds of people to make a quasi political-religious statement, doesn't that merit some kind of bad treatment? You reap what you sow. I am sorry, but the last decade of islamic terrorism, senseless killings of innocent people, of KIDS infront of their families,…
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This comment is so egregious that I banned you for it, but I decided to give you a warning instead, because your overall history contains good comments. If you keep posting like this, though, we'll have no choice but to ban you, because protecting the commons has to take priority. You can't do this on HN, regardless of the evils you're attacking or feel you are.