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The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by dasudasu »

levosmetalo wrote: post #143
baybal2 wrote: post #119

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> The point of UN and UNSC is as a venue to talk about these things and negotiate solutions - it's not like it ever was an option to have an UN that can make binding decisions on the major powers, no major sovereign power would ever agree to that. You know, the original intent of UN was of an organisation to do exactly this. After the second world war, the determination was made that the no pill is too bitter to prev…

And which country was the first one to start dropping bombs on other sovereign countries without a UN mandate? If I remember correctly, it was not China. They never dropped a single bomb on any other country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War

Also their participation in the Korean War obviously and a bunch of minor skirmishes.

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Post by newen »

ASlave2Gravity wrote: post #118
peteretep wrote: post #84

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> Is China out for world domination, I really don't think so. Every single one of my Chinese friends is about as sweet as they come. ... is this satire? Edit: or do you believe there’s some kind of correlation between some individual Chinese you know and the CPCs plans?

This isn't satire. I knew I was gonna get a lot of flak. I'm sorry to have so many dissagree with me :(. I have no idea what the CPCs plans are. Much like I have no idea what my own goverments (UK) plans are. But what I do see is this kinda news creates a hatered, and that hatered finds it's ways into the culture at large, and I don't think that's a good thing. e: and yes, I honestly belive that in China things work…

To give you some context, there is a massive government sponsored anti-China propaganda campaign going on in the US in order to give pretext to a Cold War style ramping up of tensions, economic conflicts, military conflicts etc. because America sees China as an economic competitor now like it did the USSR. This article and the sentiments of so many in HN are simply the result of that campaign.

Edit: It’s not a conspiracy theory when almost every China bad news story can be sourced to organizations sponsored by the CIA.

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Post by mrageh »

Majority SJW are hypocrites, they spend all their energy and time battling against shit that's minor. Like changing the name of repos, removing certain words from a massive project etc. Making sure certain peoples feelings are protected.

Yet when it comes to serious problems in our world, like Uyghur muslims being persecuted they remain silent. Or when western countries destroy Libya and give birth slavery in Africa, they remain silent.

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Post by sgift »

thablackbull wrote: post #105
LatteLazy wrote: post #54

I'm no fan of the US, but too many people here are basically saying "the US does bad stuff too". You're not wrong, your point just irrelevant. 2 things can be bad without either excusing the other...

Yea, but it gets boring. Nobody is going to call for sanctions on America for anything and you'll never see a constant stream of articles for anything the US does. When the US drops a record amount of bombs on a country[1] in a war people barely think about anymore and people barely blink an eye, is it really humans (lets not even talk about human rights yet), but rather just our fellow human beings, that people care…

The Afghanistan war is a UN security council sanctioned action (Resolution 1386, creating ISAF, later succeeded by Resolute Support). Since the resolution was unanimously adopted by the security council it would be quite a leap to try to sanction a country for participating in it.

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Post by throwaway123x2 »

abc-xyz wrote: post #86
DavidSJ wrote: post #9

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One possibility is that some economic pressure can be brought to bear by a Biden administration, perhaps in concert with other Western countries. Edited to add: This statement is political, but the genocide against Uyghurs is political too, and if we want to hold our leaders accountable to doing something about it, we need to acknowledge facts. Trump had previously indicated he wasn't interested in letting such matte…

What exactly did Biden do to stand up to China during the Obama/Biden administration (or throughout his political career)? Here’s an incomplete list of things Trump has done: - He refers to the Wuhan Virus as the China/Chinese Virus (CCP is trying very hard from distancing themselves from responsibility; they won’t even let us into Wuhan to investigate). - He started a trade war with China, which has forced companies…

Except he actually encouraged China to continue its concentration camps.

I'm very anti-Trump (being a brown guy it's hard not to be) but his China policy is much better than any of the last several Presidents'. That said, I wish he had more of a human rights mindset and less of a money mindset. You can bet that if some aspect of the trade balance hinged on the Uighurs, he'd be advocating for it.

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Post by tombh »

DFHippie wrote: post #172
tombh wrote: post #131

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> China running the same plays from the playbook written by the Anglosphere war powers Absolutely. All the comments like yours are downvoted. The West doesn't need autocracy to maintain its propaganda, its own citizens do it for them. China is not innocent. But on what basis does the West have any moral authority to judge China's emulation of Western colonialism. I would argue very little. The West has made its bed a…

> on what basis does the West have any moral authority to judge China's emulation of Western colonialism This is a counsel of despair and it is pure tribalism. No one in the West can condemn the actions of China the nation because the West has done analogous things in the past. So everyone in the West is guilty for everything anyone in the West has ever done. By this logic there is no basis for moral judgment ever an…

> So everyone in the West is guilty for everything anyone in the West has ever done

Of course that's nonsensical and I agree with it. But I wonder what you think when it's positively framed?

So everyone in the west can _benefit_ from everything anyone in the West has ever done?

That statement seems much closer to being universally accepted. Our rights to benefit from the fruits of Western "progress"; medicine, civil rights, social security, peace, etc. Yet these things are fundamentally dependent on the historical and contemporary colonial and neo-colonial "heist" upon the rest of the world. How can we simultaneously distance ourselves from the crimes of the West and benefit from it? Actions have consequences. Yes, neither I nor my immediate ancestors (and I'm as British as can be) took part in any colonial crimes, but I sure as hell take advantage of my Western privileges. If I don't have any personal responsibility for my culture's crimes then how do I justify personally benefiting from those crimes?

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Post by newen »

gedy wrote: post #195
Synaesthesia wrote: post #173

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They haven't committed crimes on the scale of the invasions of Vietnam and Iraq in the last 50 years.

They did physically invade Vietnam in 1979, whereas the US got involved on one side of a civil war, and never invaded North or South Vietnam. Great Leap Forward induced famines also killed tens of millions of people.

The US is bombing 6 or 7 countries right now. It’s not China who is murdering civilians en masse.

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Post by oa335 »

coldtea wrote: post #169
rayiner wrote: post #85

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This is absurd. As a brown immigrant Muslim looking person, not only do I feel safer in the US than I would in China, I feel safer here than in France. Americans aren’t frothing at the mouth to ban Islamic religious clothing while schoolgirls in France have to remove their headscarves.

> This is absurd. As a brown immigrant Muslim looking person, not only do I feel safer in the US than I would in China, I feel safer here than in France. Do muslim looking persons in muslim countries feel equally well protected from America? > Americans aren’t frothing at the mouth to ban Islamic religious clothing while schoolgirls in France have to remove their headscarves. That sounds like more progressive. Do wom…

Every Muslim woman I know (hundreds) who wear hijab wear it without the threat of violence from their family. It's extremely common amongst the people I know for some women in the family to wear hijab and some to not. It's not as big of a deal as non Muslims seem to think, and it's frankly offensive that you assume that people would only make that choice due to threats of violence.

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Post by newen »

Subsentient wrote: post #171
joelbluminator wrote: post #160

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Who determines they are not equally severe? How can we reliably estimate and compare the damage done in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan to what's happening in China?

There were plenty of disastrous wars, but clearly the US did not intend to commit genocide, and I very much doubt it did, in any war. The same cannot be said for China. Of course, there's the historic case of the native Americans, but again, that's not actively occurring.

Right, the US just stumbles into war and genocide like an innocent child while China intends to commit genocide because they are evil etc. etc. It’s a great narrative.
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