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YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by zajio1am »

Polylactic_acid wrote: post #11
anonymousiam wrote: post #2

This is the slippery slope of censorship on display for everyone to see. What panel of certified physicians is YouTube using to identify what information is correct vs. incorrect? I'm pretty sure they don't have any doctors doing this. The ban is a political act and not a scientific one.

Something has to be done. Obvious bullshit is fooling huge chunks of the population and causing huge damage. We have always selected acceptable content and it has usually been a positive. Schools have always picked which info to teach and what to not and that's largely a positive thing.

> Obvious bullshit is fooling huge chunks of the population

By definition, 'Obvious bullshit' cannot fool huge chunks of the population. If some bullshit can fool a huge part of the population then it is not obvious to them.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by dtoma »

NDizzle wrote: post #395
owlbynight wrote: post #174

I'll preface this by stating that I hate the idea of censorship and I always have. However, were I to happen across someone motionless on the floor with a needle in their arm, I would give them NARCAN instead of a ride to a rehab center. I'm from the United States. Social media is currently poisoning our country to a degree that I think it may be too late to try and draw out the fight for free speech by using free sp…

Free speech cannot be sacrificed. We’ll lose everything.

You're posting this on HN, a platform that has moderators and doesn't allow certain things to be said. So you implicitly agree that there is a trade-off between free speech and ability to live in a community.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by SuoDuanDao »

pritovido wrote: post #314
thaumaturgy wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...what YouTube is doing here is a slippery slope and it's scary... BTW, "slippery slope" was intended to be an example of fallacious thinking. Before it became a popular term, it was intended as a criticism of arguments of the form, "A will lead to B will lead to C, so A is bad." I'm not bringing this up (just) to be pedantic; the overwhelming evidence to date is that it is extraordinarily difficult to get any of…

No, a slippery slope is just that: A slippery slope. A slippery slope is a inclined surface, a place in space that once you are into, makes you transition very fast to a worse state, like your head hitting the floor at great velocity. That is you can start well, in a good state, and transition to a much worse state over time. Your definition is also valid but not the only one way to interpret it. It is an expression…

Link to your channel? Also, are there any video-aggregator besides YT where you're backing up your content?

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by ibejoeb »

onion2k wrote: post #157
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #115

Yay, this is great, and should be used for everything! /s If we used this for medical advice in my country, this would make it very funny... at the start of the epidemic, our government "experts" said: - "healthy people don't need masks" ...and youtube would censor all the "fearmongering paranoics" advocating for mask use. Then on some random spring day, our government makes a new rule: - "you need a mask and gloves…

And youtube would censor everybody saying that masks don't help healthy people. There's a mile-wide chasm between posting an opinion that differs from the official government line and posting something that's deliberate misinformation designed to harm people. YouTube are only removing the latter. The article actually quotes a YouTube spokesman saying as much " A YouTube spokesman told Reuters that general discussions…

This is what makes the mask situation so illustrative. You have the same guy who is deemed the ultimate authority saying two opposing things, so one of them must have been deliberate misinformation to harm people under these rules. You can't get on TV and say "masks are useless" and the next minute, in the face of no new data, get on TV and say "masks are the law" and somehow walk away with intention preserved and reputation intact.

None of this finicky language is ever going to amount to anything, frankly. The powers that be ultimately control what is broadcast to the masses, even if those powers change their minds.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by SuoDuanDao »

dtech wrote: post #193
lki876 wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. Something thought to be right was actually wrong. Happens all the time. And of course something thought to be wrong was actually right. This is why disallowing "misinformation" is utterly stupid.

This is not an argument to allow any fearmongering and actively spreading a harmful message. You can use this argument to say nothing should ever be forbidden/punished to say ever.

Stop fearmongering!

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by SuoDuanDao »

dtech wrote: post #321
jstanley wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You can use this argument to say nothing should ever be forbidden/punished to say ever. Yes!

Ok, so everyone should be allowed to broadcast, promote and advertise: "all white people are inherently evil and criminal and should all be exterminated, go out and shoot every and kill every white person you see!"?

Are you saying that's not allowed now?

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by SuoDuanDao »

DanBC wrote: post #208
nso95 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They lied because they didn't want medical professionals to run out of masks

Can you link to the studies that you think existed in March / April 2020 that showed that masks worked?

Here you go. This guy had some trouble just after posting it btw.

https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/03/23/face-masks-much-more-t...

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by jmull »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #115

Yay, this is great, and should be used for everything! /s If we used this for medical advice in my country, this would make it very funny... at the start of the epidemic, our government "experts" said: - "healthy people don't need masks" ...and youtube would censor all the "fearmongering paranoics" advocating for mask use. Then on some random spring day, our government makes a new rule: - "you need a mask and gloves…

Don't you think it makes sense that as we learned about how the virus spreads, and as the number of people infected exploded, that the mask recommendation might change?

I think you're trying to mock scientific experts, but what kind of expert would NOT be willing to change their recommendation based on new, strong, contrary information?

Of course experts would prefer not to make a recommendation until all the facts are known, to avoid being wrong. But that simply was not (still and is not) possible with the pandemic.

We have to decide how to react with the information we have and it's just rational to be willing to change our decision based on strong new information.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by zaarn »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #195
owlbynight wrote: post #174

I'll preface this by stating that I hate the idea of censorship and I always have. However, were I to happen across someone motionless on the floor with a needle in their arm, I would give them NARCAN instead of a ride to a rehab center. I'm from the United States. Social media is currently poisoning our country to a degree that I think it may be too late to try and draw out the fight for free speech by using free sp…

I hate it as well, and if I could come up with some new way of advancing our species aside from free speech I would. I cannot and cannot see how such a thing would ever be possible. Here's a bit of sunshine: the human species has not changed in thousands of years. We're still the same hairless monkeys we were back when people were thinking up all kinds of cool shit. Knowing this, it follows that 10% or so of the popu…

We aren't the same at all. In the last 10'000 years, we developed lactose tolerance, enabling us to herd cows for more than just meat. Only about 200 years ago, the first people with three arteries instead of two in their arms are showing up and recent studies seem to indicate that wisdom teeth are evolving away.

The evolution of a species never stops, even if it gets a bit slow. And our brains may have changed in the last 10'000 years too. Possibly even in the last 200.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by sanedigital »

hef19898 wrote: post #125
ed25519FUUU wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So would WHO have recommended censor of videos in mid January from people claiming C19 could be spread human-to-human? https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152?s=20

Don't jump to conclusions, please. Because you seem to assume the WHO didn't change their minds based in research but on public opinion. And that they would "censor" any other information. No proof for either. Also, only governments can censor. Youtube is a private entity, so whatever they do cannot be censorship yo begin with.

Wikipedia disagrees with your definition of Censorship: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship

"Censorship can be conducted by governments, private institutions, and other controlling bodies."

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