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Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by codyswann »

CyberRabbi wrote: post #798
Karunamon wrote: post #291

This was a shockingly dumb move. Whether or not you think these actions were politically motivated or made in good faith, it just poured liquid oxygen on the "reform section 230" fire you're seeing from both sides of the aisle - one using the censorship reason, the other using the disinformation reason. There's no way you don't block a newspaper, and the press secretary, and prevent anyone from even private messaging…

Freedom of speech should be a civil right and I hope that’s the result of this. No entity should be allowed to censor speech.

So you can say whatever you want at your job without any repercussion from your employer? Yikes.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by nullc »

pjc50 wrote: post #795
Niten wrote: post #747

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The only thing that terrifies me more than Trump is the number of my tech industry colleagues who seem to think we can and should abuse our power to shape public discourse.

The only way Facebook has to not "use its power to shape public discourse" is to turn itself off. Having the platform up shapes the discourse. Algorithmic timelines shape the discourse. Adverts, whether political or not, shape the discourse. Neutrality is only an option if you limit yourself to making cuckoo clocks.

> Neutrality is only an option if you limit yourself to making cuckoo clocks.

Heretic! True clocks look like this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Hexadeci...

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by im3w1l »

icpmacdo wrote: post #11

They are also censoring it being sent in direct messages. This is probably the most farcical gift tech has ever given the GOP

At a moment where people are scared of meeting to discuss things in person. Which makes it orders of magnitudes worse. This is the only voice people had.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by odessacubbage »

Hamuko wrote: post #23
throwawa3495 wrote: post #20

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it's honestly irrelevant about the credibility of the emails and other data at this point, its the blanket censorship of this article that's now the real story.

Is it? Because the factuality of the story seems like a pretty big deal here. If it's completely bogus, how is it different from any of those Russian trollfarm posts that the US government was worried about?

twitter and the journo sphere launder misinformation every single day with no consequence. the russian bounty story had little relation to factuality but it was still widespread with no objections or even much if any in the way of post facto correction. it's entirely permissible to write complete fiction just as long as you preface it with 'intelligence sources indicate...'

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by Raptor22 »

CyberRabbi wrote: post #798
Karunamon wrote: post #291

This was a shockingly dumb move. Whether or not you think these actions were politically motivated or made in good faith, it just poured liquid oxygen on the "reform section 230" fire you're seeing from both sides of the aisle - one using the censorship reason, the other using the disinformation reason. There's no way you don't block a newspaper, and the press secretary, and prevent anyone from even private messaging…

Freedom of speech should be a civil right and I hope that’s the result of this. No entity should be allowed to censor speech.

I agree with you in principle, however in practice this has been hijacked to spread misinformation with potentially deadly results. This is a very nuanced issue IMO and the answers are not trivial.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by nullc »

zaroth wrote: post #690
icameron wrote: post #660

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The political machine is more sophisticated than using a public image. If anything it looks like an iCloud hack. Last week was a top HN article about finding an XSS vulnerability in iCloud. Not unreasonable to assume Biden’s crackhead sons iCloud was owned by operatives. Especially since the subject is a main topic of Trumps impeachment.

The NY Post story allegedly includes a picture of an FBI subpoena for the laptop in question.

I keep expecting to see a FBI response.

"That subpoena never existed"

or

"We issued it and didn't find anything credible to forward to the DOJ"

or

"We don't comment on ongoing cases."

... I'm not sure what silence means.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by odessacubbage »

prawn wrote: post #775
Thorrez wrote: post #767

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What's the definition of hack? If we believe NY Post's story, did a hack happen? Or are we assuming NY Post's story is false, and the materials came from an unreported hack?

I was just going by Twitter's statement in response. Hadn't looked into it beyond that. "Twitter blocked users from sharing an article that indicated Hunter Biden introduced his father Joe to a Ukranian businessman — charging that “hacked materials” were used in the story."

the zimmerman telegraph and the pentegon papers could both be roughly described as 'hacked materials' i think most would agree they still fell firmly within the public interest.

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Post by Wolfenstein98k »

iaw wrote: post #524
davismwfl wrote: post #53

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It could be easily argued while they are not rewriting the story they selectively choose the facts they present as "fact checked" information. In the recent past both FB and Twitter have linked to "fact checked" articles/sources that represented only the narrative they wanted you to read. If they wanted to show neutral behavior they could have linked to articles that represented both sides of an argument which would…

The "both sides" of an argument thing does not work when one side is intellectually dishonest and bases arguments on misinterpretations and mistruths.

Which side?

Let me guess: "The Other One!"

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by donmcronald »

blisseyGo wrote: post #653
moneybadger wrote: post #574

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Except the Washington Post isn't releasing possibly faked or hacked emails about Breonna Taylor being shot in her sleep three weeks before an election in a blatant attempt to manufacture an October Surprise. Don't try and create false equivalency here.

> possibly faked or hacked emails What gives you the impression that this is the case? Hunter Biden's receipts from the computer repair shop are public for this too. I think bias might be clouding your judgement. EDIT: Because HN isn't even allowing me to reply to the comment by user heartbreak, I will just edit this here: He was NOT impeached for bribing Ukraine into fabricating exactly this sort of story. He was im…

> Hunter Biden's receipts from the computer repair shop are public for this too.

Where? I didn’t see those. How does he have public receipts for something he never paid for?

Edit: Never mind. I saw it. It’s a quote, not a receipt. I just can’t believe someone would take a laptop to a random, low quality based on the price, repair shop for data recovery like that. “Hi. Can you get my sex tape, crack smoking video, and incriminating, politically sensitive emails off this thing?”

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