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Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by zepto »

Miraste wrote: post #124
zepto wrote: post #105

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Your options list supports my assertion: Identified developers = signed FYI: frogs actually do jump out of water as it gets hotter. You may be right that this changes in the future, but for now I am correct.

Apple's next move is to disallow unsigned software entirely, Gatekeeper popup or no. They already announced it for ARM Macs [0]. It currently allows adhoc signatures, but I'd be shocked if that didn't go away in the next couple of versions unless they were built locally. [0] https://developer.apple.com/documentation/macos-release-note...

That document doesn’t appear to say what you are claiming.

Disallowing unsigned software altogether would contradict other statements they have made.

That said, I wouldn’t be surprised if it becomes something you can only enable from the command line.

They have clearly stated that Apple Silicon Macs will be open to whatever software you want, but they may well choose to make that more difficult for inexperienced users.

Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by hashkb »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #130
hashkb wrote: post #123

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The specific criticism I think that generates the hostility you're experiencing is something like "Linux should be easier to use / easy to use for the everyday computer user". In general I think most people would agree with you, but it comes across as an ignorant comment given the well-known economics; and especially in the context of a conversation about someone who is unwilling to contribute or at least build their…

Where am I saying that? I have a specific criticism, that package management is unnecessary complexity that introduces more problems and limitations than it solves. It has nothing to do with being easy. > but it comes across as an ignorant comment given the well-known economics What the fuck does economics have to do with it? > and especially in the context of a conversation about someone who is unwilling to contribu…

Why didn't you just build Krita and then come here to leave some relevant feedback instead of complain about package management in general?

Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by Miraste »

zepto wrote: post #131
Miraste wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple's next move is to disallow unsigned software entirely, Gatekeeper popup or no. They already announced it for ARM Macs [0]. It currently allows adhoc signatures, but I'd be shocked if that didn't go away in the next couple of versions unless they were built locally. [0] https://developer.apple.com/documentation/macos-release-note...

That document doesn’t appear to say what you are claiming. Disallowing unsigned software altogether would contradict other statements they have made. That said, I wouldn’t be surprised if it becomes something you can only enable from the command line. They have clearly stated that Apple Silicon Macs will be open to whatever software you want, but they may well choose to make that more difficult for inexperienced user…

"starting in macOS Big Sur 11 beta 6, the operating system enforces that any executable must be signed before it’s allowed to run."

This line seems clear that unsigned code is not allowed, although I don't have a Transition Kit to try it for sure.

Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by LuvSauce »

dsign wrote: post #13
MarcellusDrum wrote: post #4

In this increasingly "Software as a Service" world, it's nice to have a good alternative where you actually own the software you are using. Being FOSS is just icing on the cake. Huge respect to the team behind Krita, and the KDE community as a whole.

While I share your appreciation of Krita and FOSS in general (long live Gimp and Inkscape), I have to point out that there are good commercial software that are not a total subscription rip-off (I'm looking at you Adobe). Here are some I know of and have used (bugs and limitations and everything): - The Affinity suite - Corel Painter and perhaps a few others. They do their job of paying their developers, cultivating…

Criminal you didn't mention paint tool sai! He just made the 2nd version after more than 10 years. It's free for the Sai 1 owners.

Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by VadimPR »

boudewijnrempt wrote: post #120
VadimPR wrote: post #98

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What did you do with it? A Qt Widgets maintainer here looking to hit the mobile as well.

We just made it build, which needed a bit of hacking in Qt, and then some hacking in Krita, but it was doable within the scope of a Google Summer of Code. Of course, the devil is in the details, and that's what Sharaf is working on now.

Hm, so you run Qt Widgets on Android as it is?

Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

hashkb wrote: post #132
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where am I saying that? I have a specific criticism, that package management is unnecessary complexity that introduces more problems and limitations than it solves. It has nothing to do with being easy. > but it comes across as an ignorant comment given the well-known economics What the fuck does economics have to do with it? > and especially in the context of a conversation about someone who is unwilling to contribu…

Why didn't you just build Krita and then come here to leave some relevant feedback instead of complain about package management in general?

Because I didn't have to build Krita myself just to use it, and I appreciate that fact and wanted mention it.

Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by selfhoster11 »

Complexicate wrote: post #33
selfhoster11 wrote: post #16

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Not everyone wants to use the Windows Store, for multiple reasons. There's no reason to scare users away from independent software distribution.

There absolutely is a reason. Microsoft's reason. Scaring users away from independent software distribution means more people will use the Windows Store.

I meant that there is no legitimate reason. Microsoft's need to encourage people to use the Windows Store is not legitimate.

Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by selfhoster11 »

qayxc wrote: post #42
selfhoster11 wrote: post #16

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Not everyone wants to use the Windows Store, for multiple reasons. There's no reason to scare users away from independent software distribution.

> There's no reason to scare users away from independent software distribution. Can you please for the love of Zeus make up your mind already? "Installing random software from the Internet - bad! Linux good because package manager!" Microsoft offering a "store" (most software on it is free anyway) and allowing signed installers that won't trigger warnings - also bad! So which is it? And more importantly, how is this…

I trust Linux disto maintainers hell of a lot more to curate software in line with _my_ interests. Microsoft has profit as their overriding goal, so anything that contradicts that will be eradicated from their app store.

Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by Shared404 »

qayxc wrote: post #107
Shared404 wrote: post #89

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> The Windows Store is meant for a general audience, and the general audience are users that ended up with 10 rows of custom "toolbars" in their browser after a few days of using the internet. Maybe at one point, but at this point the general audience A) Just does everything in the browser. B) Knows enough to do things right C) Does not yet know enough to do things right, will screw up an install, and learn from expe…

> Maybe at one point, but at this point the general audience > B) Knows enough to do things right Reality check: https://blog.emsisoft.com/en/34822/the-state-of-ransomware-i... Note that not all these incidents resulted from drive-by-downloads or elaborate hacks: > Riviera Beach: In June, Riviera Beach, Florida, was hit with ransomware when a police department employee opened a malicious email attachment. In 2019, pe…

In my experience, B is the smallest group of the four I listed, mostly only gamers and some creative professionals.

That being said, most of my experience is with consumers, not corporate IT. I still believe that consumers should be able to install from any source, and not pressured into using the MS Store. In corporate-land however, of course the user should have restricted rights.

As far as the state of mobile, isn't that supporting my point that moderating app stores is almost impossible unless you curate it yourself?

Edit: +1 for your comment though. It made me sit and think about things for a while, for which I thank you.

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