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The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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To be fair I've maintained for a while now that the reason Apple uses lightning on the phones is because it's quite frankly much more durable than USB-C.

Lightning ports are not more durable than USB-C. They are extremely prone to the device-side conductor corroding. USB mini made the mistake of making the device side contain a friction wear item, but USB micro fixed that but had other endurance issues due to its flimsiness. USB C doesn’t suffer from any of those drawbacks.

Everyone I know that got a USB-C phone eventually complained about loose cables. I have been using the same 6 year old lighting cable without issue.

On it’s own that doesn’t mean much, but plenty of people dislike USB-C from personal experience.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Let's also not forget that Apple also removed a $20-30 accessory from the box under the guise of saving the planet. Then not only decided to not pass that savings onto the customer, but actually secretively raised the price $30. I am not suggesting that removing the power brick doesn't have any impact on the environment. What I am suggesting is that I don't buy for a second that it was the primary motivator for remov…

> Then not only decided to not pass that savings onto the customer, but actually secretively raised the price $30. They raised the price $130. iPhone 11 was $699, iPhone 12 is $829. Apple slipped in the "mini" at the old price point, but it's a smaller screen.

I feel mixed about the price going up. On one hand, it feels like gouging. There’s no way the phone costs that much more to manufacture. On the other hand, I’ve been using an iPhone 6s+ since it came out (5 years now) and it still works really well and still gets software updates. I’m thinking of getting an iPhone 12 but I still don’t actually need to - a battery replacement every few years keeps it working as it did when it was brand new.

How long will my next phone last? At least 5 more years. Probably longer. Spread over 5 years the price is fine, and I’d rather buy something that’s designed to last (and remains supported) than buy a series of cheap phones that get ruined or ignored every couple years by software updates. (Looking at you, Samsung). If my phone lasts 50% longer, a 30% bump in price is reasonable. Even if I don’t use it that long, I can make that money back on the second hand market when I upgrade.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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I feel weird about sort of defending this practice but ... I don't have a problem with it. There it is, the phone without a charger is the offer, you know it, I know it. We all know the price and the product. There's no mystery here. This stuff about if it was a hard decision or not, I don't see how it matters. Folks who take this kinda of marketing to heart, I just don't get it.

To anyone who isn't stuck in the Apple ecosystem it appears that Apple is squeezing their customers yet again. And a response defending them is no surprise. The human brain will rationalize anything.

We are not sheep we know the cost and we value the product. That is not being a sheep. I have tried and don't care for Android phones and tablets. Not because I feel like having an Apple on the product makes it better but because I enjoy using it more.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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>Do you have access to the BOM? Sure it was likely a cost-savings measure, but it may have been to combat rising prices elsewhere. It's a two-sided equation and we can't see the whole thing. Unless the cost of a powerbrick went up by $50-60, there are savings that Apple is not passing onto the consumer.

So you're saying the cost of the iPhone 11 and 12 is the same? Also, why does it matter? These devices were never sold anywhere near their real cost and people still bought them, and still will.

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Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Let's also not forget that Apple also removed a $20-30 accessory from the box under the guise of saving the planet. Then not only decided to not pass that savings onto the customer, but actually secretively raised the price $30. I am not suggesting that removing the power brick doesn't have any impact on the environment. What I am suggesting is that I don't buy for a second that it was the primary motivator for remov…

I feel weird about sort of defending this practice but ... I don't have a problem with it. There it is, the phone without a charger is the offer, you know it, I know it. We all know the price and the product. There's no mystery here. This stuff about if it was a hard decision or not, I don't see how it matters. Folks who take this kinda of marketing to heart, I just don't get it.

I kinda don't have a problem with the omissions, but the "marketing spin" seems a little over the top.

How standard are these usb-c bricks and are people going to be worried about cooking their phones? (Apple's chargers are of pretty high quality, but it seems weird to plug a phone into a usb c device that can charge a notebook).

Also I feel that the headphone ommission to save the environment would be more believable if they weren't selling $100 wireless earbuds without replaceable batteries.

Much like "Reuse your towels in the hotel" is as much about saving the hotel money as saving the environment.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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> Why should they have dropped the price on the phone? Because price gouging is immoral. If Apple was on the margins financially and needed to raise prices to stay in business, that would be one thing. Apple, however, is replete with surplus assets and is taking hard-earned money from other peoples' pockets simply because it can. There are an awful lot of far more economically productive uses the proceeds of Apple's…

Apple isn't a charity. Do you take a pay cut when you have money left at the end of the month? Why not? Why not give that back to your employers?

Price gouging is immoral. Making a profit isn't.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Since neither of us know... let's not assume either way! Maybe it was sold at a loss before! Who knows.

If you're going to repeatedly insinuate in your comments to me and others that the price to manufacture could have gone up over time, you should have some theory to back it. It's not my job to disprove pure speculation, especially when it goes against the general and well-known trend that manufacturing yields go up over time, and this drives down cost.

> you should have some theory to back it

You're the one claiming the contrary and accusing them of something based on it - you prove it if you want to accuse them of something!

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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To anyone who isn't stuck in the Apple ecosystem it appears that Apple is squeezing their customers yet again. And a response defending them is no surprise. The human brain will rationalize anything.

"squeezing their customers yet again" What qualifies as that exactly? The amount of hyperbole about a $30 bit of metal and plastic (that I bet many folks already own) is pretty crazy to me.

And almost entirely from people who don't and won't own iPhones anyway.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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> The Lightning cable is Lightning->USB-C Nonsense. I have tons of USB-A to Lightning cables. They cost dollars. > since my old one's were usually beat after 2-3 years What on earth are you doing to them?

Apple branded cables are terrible quality. It's due to something about trying to be different..

I’ve never had a problem, and I’m confused what people do to their cables to break them all the time.

But if you don’t like apple’s cables, buy a replacement from the supermarket or corner store. They cost less than a cup of coffee.

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