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The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by samatman »

decker wrote: post #133
samatman wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I grant the second premise, could you explain your antipathy to the first? If I want to have a mobile phone, I need a mobile phone plan to go with it. What's wrong with bundling those services for a slightly lower total bill? It strikes me as pretty standard business logic.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the majority of people buying an iPhone 12 already have a mobile phone plan.

Sure, and some large number of those people bundle in their new phone with their existing plan, to either save some money or spread out the payment over more paychecks.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by wasyl »

jen729w wrote: post #247
mtm7 wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm saying that they're expecting their phone to come with a charger.

Actually I’m annoyed now when a device comes with a charger. To the point where I say out loud, to myself, “oh for fu...”. Nobody needs any more chargers, and if you do, they’re a fiver. It’s a preposterous waste that needs to stop. ( Totally separate from the issue of whether Apple is making money on this, which they undoubtedly are.)

On the other hand, each of the phones I and the people around me have have different standard for fast charging. So even if I wanted to share the charger with someone or use one that I current own, I'd be losing on that benefit

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by theshrike79 »

ssully wrote: post #250
jacurtis wrote: post #122

Let's also not forget that Apple also removed a $20-30 accessory from the box under the guise of saving the planet. Then not only decided to not pass that savings onto the customer, but actually secretively raised the price $30. I am not suggesting that removing the power brick doesn't have any impact on the environment. What I am suggesting is that I don't buy for a second that it was the primary motivator for remov…

Regardless of their reasoning, I don't mind it because I have a box filled with unused phone charges and headphones from my families phone purchases. My only real concern is first time phone buyers. I think Apple stores (online or in person) should ask if you need headphones/wall charger when you purchase and just include a free set if you do.

Oh, they will upsell the SHIT out of accessories when you go grab the new phones.

They won't mention you can get a 23W usb-c charger for $12 from Ikea, they'll sell you the $39 Apple one.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by flowerlad »

jonathanberger wrote: post #11

Why doesn't the US have universal laws that cover price transparency in general? There are so many industries that get into shady territory: rental cars ("facility use fees"), hotels ("resort fees"), internet access ("mandatory equipment rental fees"), even SF restaurants ("SF mandate"). I'm saying Apple is wrong, and so are many other companies, and shouldn't we have fixed this with a law by this point?

> Why doesn't the US have universal laws that cover price transparency in general?

And that's just the beginning. In any modern country citizens would have access to things called "courts". Not in the US, not if you want to sue a business. In the US, courts have been replaced with "arbitration" where businesses have a heavy advantage. See: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/02/business/dealbook/in-arbi... In what other modern country is citizens denied access to courts, when they have been wronged by a business?

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by theshrike79 »

etempleton wrote: post #232
jacurtis wrote: post #122

Let's also not forget that Apple also removed a $20-30 accessory from the box under the guise of saving the planet. Then not only decided to not pass that savings onto the customer, but actually secretively raised the price $30. I am not suggesting that removing the power brick doesn't have any impact on the environment. What I am suggesting is that I don't buy for a second that it was the primary motivator for remov…

I do not buy for a second that environmental concerns were Apple's primary reason for removing the power brick and the lightning headphones from the box, though I think the decision makes sense. The lighting headphones are more of a pain than they are worth and most consumers have enough five watt power bricks floating around if they really need one. From a PR and messaging stand point environmentalism was really the…

It's not the environment, the main reason was logistics efficiency. They can get more phones per standard pallet and will save millions in shipping and storage costs.

The environmental stuff is a nice bonus and excellent PR.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by xienze »

chrisseaton wrote: post #147
jacurtis wrote: post #122

Let's also not forget that Apple also removed a $20-30 accessory from the box under the guise of saving the planet. Then not only decided to not pass that savings onto the customer, but actually secretively raised the price $30. I am not suggesting that removing the power brick doesn't have any impact on the environment. What I am suggesting is that I don't buy for a second that it was the primary motivator for remov…

> Apple also removed a $20-30 accessory from the box under the guise of saving the planet Come on.... Everyone (to some approximation) has a charger already! Why knock the people trying to reduce waste?

> Everyone (to some approximation) has a charger already!

Yeah, but I could always use more for various places around the house, travel, one or more inevitably getting lost, etc. And haven’t they in the past few years started bundling better chargers than those lame 5W ones they used to bundle for the longest time? Wouldn’t mind getting one of those and ditching and old 5W one.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by samatman »

VibrantClarity wrote: post #219
samatman wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I grant the second premise, could you explain your antipathy to the first? If I want to have a mobile phone, I need a mobile phone plan to go with it. What's wrong with bundling those services for a slightly lower total bill? It strikes me as pretty standard business logic.

In Canada the carriers show the cost of the plan and then tell you how much extra is tacked on for the phone. The prices are still outrageous here, but it is nice to be able to quickly tell how much money you save or lose by bundling it.

Seems like that's how it works here?

https://www.verizon.com/basic-phones/?adobe_mc=MCMID%3D48197...

This is just a list of phones, plus how much extra a month you pay to get a phone with that plan.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by king_crimson »

JoelTheSuperior wrote: post #180
gnicholas wrote: post #174

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Fair point. They do have a significantly upgraded radio, however. I don't remember what happened to pricing when they went from 2G to 3G or 3G to 4G/LTE, but I would not have been surprised if pricing had gone up with the 5G upgrade (in a normal economy). That said, the AT&T/Verizon giveaway/deception is absolute garbage.

Motorola literally sells an Android phone for £200 with 5G. I just don't buy it.

Question is, does Motorolas offering support the mmWave frequency band? I know that the Motorola Edge+ does support those bands, however it had an introductory price of 999$ so not exactly a bargain.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by random314 »

bleepblorp wrote: post #248
mgolawala wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should they have dropped the price on the phone? They are clearly stating what does and does not come in the box at the price. They clearly state the price. You either think what comes is worth it in the box or you don’t. They could exclude the power adapter while simultaneously increasing the price by $200 per unit. If people do not like it, they won’t buy it. I don’t understand why there is this expectation tha…

> Why should they have dropped the price on the phone? Because price gouging is immoral. If Apple was on the margins financially and needed to raise prices to stay in business, that would be one thing. Apple, however, is replete with surplus assets and is taking hard-earned money from other peoples' pockets simply because it can. There are an awful lot of far more economically productive uses the proceeds of Apple's…

Apple is not forcing you to buy their phone.
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