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The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by gnicholas »

serjester wrote: post #3

Slightly misleading yes, but we're talking about $30 on phones that cost nearly a $1000. Accusing Apple of playing "marketing games" with carriers is a bit of a stretch.

For the record, it's not on the Pro models — just on the cheaper models. They're not "nearly a $1,000", and the fact that they're only doing it on some models shows what an artificial giveaway this is. There is no reason for it other than economics: they think they can get an extra few bucks out of these models, but they don't think they can raise the price even higher on the Pro models.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by auggierose »

josteink wrote: post #144
mensetmanusman wrote: post #7

I understand Apple’s approach to Verizon here. Just like the initial iPhone needed one carrier to get things right, 5G infrastructure testing will be like that. It is in Apple’s best interest if their users experience 5G as best as the current infrastructure allows (which isn’t great yet, because it will take a decade for a full rollout). It makes sense to have the carriers bend over backwards to see who gets to be t…

> Just like the initial iPhone needed one carrier to get things right Except for the rest of the world, which did just fine. Apple tried to do US-like deals with European carriers and it was just so fundamentally incompatible with the European mindset that many people simply did not understand what they were trying to sell or why. It took a year or so before Apple realized Europeans buy phones and subscriptions separ…

I am not sure what you mean by "Europeans", but Germany certainly was no stranger to buying phones together with a subscription.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by kortilla »

chrisseaton wrote: post #181
saagarjha wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't need to; they just pulled those accessories out of boxes they've been selling for years.

But this new phone has different components. How do you know that the price of the phone without accessories is the same as before?

They pulled it out of existing iPhone lineup.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by lsllc »

chrisseaton wrote: post #163
saagarjha wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then they should have dropped the price of the phone, no? At least, they should have bundled it in some way, considering that very few people probably have a USB-C brick designed for charging iPhones.

> Then they should have dropped the price of the phone, no? But it's a different phone with different components? Are you expecting that the price should otherwise be exactly the same? That's never what happens that's not a reasonable assumption. > considering that very few people probably have a USB-C brick designed for charging iPhones This is not a truthful statement. It can be charged by Lightning, which plugs in…

I don't think all USB-A chargers are created equal. I know that if I plug my iPhone in with the official charging brick, it'll charge maybe in an hour or so. If I plug it into the USB outlet in my car ... I'm looking at much longer.

Some background on how Apple "detects" their own charging bricks:

https://learn.adafruit.com/minty-boost/icharging

However, for USB-C, I'm sure any charging brick will do.

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Post by jaywalk »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #50
wmf wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a slap in the face to T-Mobile which has had nationwide 5G for a while.

The operators brought this on themselves. There is no standard definition of 5G, even though the industry knows the rollout of features will be in waves. Does 5G for T-mobile technically mean exactly the same thing as for Verizon? Probably not.

Verizon is the only carrier with mmWave 5G / Ultrawide Band. Their "5G Nationwide" is what T-Mobile and AT&T have, while only AT&T has the "5GE" abomination which is just 4G LTE.

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Post by geerlingguy »

kindatrue wrote: post #108
orev wrote: post #65

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The carrier contracts likely don’t give any leeway on that. They just provide the image and Apple has to show it.

Contracts never stopped Steve Jobs from doing what he thought was right for his customers.

I know he was sad to see his TV/Movies/VOD plans fall through and eventually the 'meh' Apple TV concept was born.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by tqkxzugoaupvwqr »

jacurtis wrote: post #122

Let's also not forget that Apple also removed a $20-30 accessory from the box under the guise of saving the planet. Then not only decided to not pass that savings onto the customer, but actually secretively raised the price $30. I am not suggesting that removing the power brick doesn't have any impact on the environment. What I am suggesting is that I don't buy for a second that it was the primary motivator for remov…

Removing the charger under the guise of helping the environment was disingenuous by Apple. They said they shipped a billion chargers so they’ll just include the cable from now on. Well, the cable is Lightning-to-USB-C, not USB-A. Apple shipped nearly zero USB-C chargers and many people getting an iPhone will have to buy one. In the end, Apple removed the charger but didn’t lower the price, and people still have to buy a charger.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by zaptrem »

itchyouch wrote: post #107
notimetorelax wrote: post #80

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With symmetric 1Gbit internet at home, I noticed that other parts of the system become a bottleneck. E.g. my laptop built in SSD simply cannot handle these speeds, something to do with the drivers. I assume phone users may see similar issues.

1Gb is 125MB/s... most SSDs benchmark at around 500MB/s... even with small files, it should be possible? Likely your wifi, nic, or switching infra and even cables would be where I’d look other than your SSD.

At least when it comes to downloading/updating large games, they can get CPU bound when decompression and updates happen.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by wmf »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #50
wmf wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a slap in the face to T-Mobile which has had nationwide 5G for a while.

The operators brought this on themselves. There is no standard definition of 5G, even though the industry knows the rollout of features will be in waves. Does 5G for T-mobile technically mean exactly the same thing as for Verizon? Probably not.

The standard definition of 5G is the New Radio (NR) protocol.
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