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Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by llampx » Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 2:49 PM UTC

offtop5 wrote: post #448

supernova87a wrote: post #152

It's the annual incremental improvement, and many will like the smaller form factor too I'm guessing. But the whole 5G hype is lost on me. Specifically, none of the carriers or handset makers are telling me how much the data will cost . Maybe I'm a little price-focused, but that determines for me whether I'm excited about it. If I'm just burning through my existing data limit faster, what's the point? What's the pric…

Most of the time you hit soft caps at 40gb, with 4gbp you can hit your cap in 40 seconds !

Nitpick, but the cap is probably 40 gigabytes whereas the speed is measured in gigabits per second.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by wrboyce » Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 4:46 PM UTC

Nextgrid wrote: post #760

whatever1 wrote: post #624

Huge miss to not have touch id in a era of a raging pandemic. I literally have not used the face-id once outside my house since March, because I always use a mask, so I have to type in my password. Which I had to revert to an unsafe 6 digit one from my 12char alphanumeric that I had until March.

Face ID is a major downgrade from Touch ID regardless of the pandemic. Touch ID (combined with a home button) is a lot faster. You can reach into your pocket or handbag, put the finger on the button and press it while you're taking it out . By the time your phone is out it's unlocked and on the home screen. I don't recall seeing people failing to unlock their phones while paying with Apple Pay before but now it's a r…

Have you ever used FaceID? There are a lot of false claims in your rant.

My favourite was the room being illuminated (by IR light?) when using FaceID in bed.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by avidphantasm » Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 5:00 PM UTC

It just seems like the entire industry is desperate for us to give a shit about 5G. I don't, sorry. To me this is similar to the 4K and 8K HDR TV craze. I don't plan on ever owning an 80" TV. At 30-40" 1080p looks great to me. I don't see giving a shit about this either. Most of the time I am near decent wifi. When I am not, I can always wait to download something huge (and really don't have a need to download something huge on my phone).

Now if they could just work on the audio quality and latency over regular wire-line networks, that I would be interested in. LTE to LTE calls already sound great, so I think there are some upgrades to the wired side of things that are required (which the likes of Verizon never want to do because it is more expensive/a lower margin business than wireless so they neglect it and regulators don't hold their feet to the fire).

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by richbradshaw » Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 5:20 PM UTC

avidphantasm wrote: post #953

It just seems like the entire industry is desperate for us to give a shit about 5G. I don't, sorry. To me this is similar to the 4K and 8K HDR TV craze. I don't plan on ever owning an 80" TV. At 30-40" 1080p looks great to me. I don't see giving a shit about this either. Most of the time I am near decent wifi. When I am not, I can always wait to download something huge (and really don't have a need to download someth…

I think the eventual idea is that 5G will replace Wifi for most casual use cases.

This has happened with 4G already to a large degree - I don't bother connecting to Cafe or Hotel Wifi these days as 4G is faster anyway.

5G would eventually ideally let me drop my home internet plan and just use 5G for everything.

I agree though that that's unlikely to happen during the next 2-4 years which might be lifespan of this phone if I were to purchase it.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by kevincox » Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 5:23 PM UTC

gruturo wrote: post #882

The one feature which would have had me (figuratively) running to the store was touch ID on a button like the iPad. We are 9 months into a pandemic and likely to be wearing masks for another 9, we use Apple pay all the time. Too bad. Nothing really compelling compared to my XS max, I'll give this year a pass.

Making a product change like that in 9 months would have been very difficult. It is on the edge of what could be accomplished, however with Apples very predictable release cycle I wouldn't have been surprised if the designs were being finalized as the pandemic was getting started.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by kevincox » Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 5:26 PM UTC

sriku wrote: post #809

infinityplus1 wrote: post #790

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people are simply so rich that spending $1-2k is nothing for them. Others are looking to show-off.

My crib here isn't about those who can afford it. It is about folks (specifically in India) who actually can't afford it and are pushing through for the "prestige". It's their life, but that they would prioritize it over .. well ... living ... Makes me turn laser eyes on Apple marketing.

I see what you are saying, but if it wasn't Apple many of these people be buying cars, jewelry or other luxury products to show off their wealth.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by kevincox » Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 5:37 PM UTC

social_quotient wrote: post #921

(Not intended to take away from the product announcement) The “surgical steel” stuff always makes me curious - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgical_stainless_steel There is no formal definition but we for some reason love to hear it. In this case (no pun) I’ve left happy that my glass phone won’t also rust?

> There is no formal definition but we for some reason love to hear it.

This seems like half of Apple's marketing. They like making up new terms for features. Often these are to try to differentiate where there isn't already an existing term but often they seem like attempts to create an artificial differentiation.

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Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by runeks » Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 5:43 PM UTC

AgentEpsilon wrote: post #200

I feel like I'm going insane. On every single model revealed today, there is a differently-colored patch on the right side of the phone, below the power button. What is it? It's not the SIM card slot - that's on the left side. It's not a new TouchID sensor - the website doesn't even mention it at all. And yet it exists in every single render.

It’s on my iPad as well. Model A2228. On the same side as the volume buttons.

Here’s a picture: https://pasteboard.co/JvDAuop.jpg

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by kevincox » Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 5:47 PM UTC

jorge-d wrote: post #77

They just announced that the iPhone 12 will ship only with a lightning to USB-C cable. I don't understand why they don't switch from lightning to USB-C despite already using it on the iPads.

My best guess is that they make a lot of money on lightning royalties.

The other guess is that they are hoping to cost until a no-port future. However the fact that the iPad switched makes that seem odd. I expected the next phone generation after the iPad would switch but I was clearly wrong.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by kevincox » Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 5:48 PM UTC

DangerousPie wrote: post #128

aviraldg wrote: post #69

There are two reasons I haven't switched over from Android. I wish Apple would try and fix them: * The lack of a way to move Whatsapp messages between platforms. (They'd just need to allow Whatsapp to use Google Drive for backup on iOS) * The lack of (physical) dual-SIM.

The first one sounds more like a WhatsApp issue than an Apple issue, doesn't it?

Where you place the blame has little effect on how easy it is to move.