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Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by polytely »

dsign wrote: post #13
MarcellusDrum wrote: post #4

In this increasingly "Software as a Service" world, it's nice to have a good alternative where you actually own the software you are using. Being FOSS is just icing on the cake. Huge respect to the team behind Krita, and the KDE community as a whole.

While I share your appreciation of Krita and FOSS in general (long live Gimp and Inkscape), I have to point out that there are good commercial software that are not a total subscription rip-off (I'm looking at you Adobe). Here are some I know of and have used (bugs and limitations and everything): - The Affinity suite - Corel Painter and perhaps a few others. They do their job of paying their developers, cultivating…

Yeah the Affinity programs completely cover everything I used to do with the Adobe Suite. I'm not a professional designer but I often have to do small photo editing / vector design tasks and Adobe always felt like such a rip-off, especially once they switched to their subscription model. Very happy there is some competition in this space.

Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by eitland »

qayxc wrote: post #57
flohofwoe wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Chrome has a malware scan for downloads that actually seems to work, unlike Microsoft's SmartScreen which seems to be completely broken. Integrated malware protection is a good thing, but it needs to work to be useful (e.g. not automatically flag properly code-signed non-malware as malware). If users see the SmartScreen popup for regular software too often, they are just trained to automatically find and click…

That's fair, but completely besides the point of the OP. If the complaint is "because it doesn't work well enough", the proper solution is to just disable it, which is of course an option. Crying "foul!", however, is neither constructive nor helpful in way.

> If the complaint is "because it doesn't work well enough", the proper solution is to just disable it, which is of course an option. Crying "foul!", however, is neither constructive nor helpful in way.

Are you sure you meant exactly what you wrote?

I mean: The correct thing to do if you have a smoke detector that gives false positives isn't to throw out smoke detectors but to complain to the place that sold it and get a new one that works.

Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by wtetzner »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #67
TheNorthman wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arch's Krita was updated to 4.4.0-4 at 2020-10-13 18:23 UTC, approximately 18 hours and 52 minutes ago. While I can't see when the original blog post was submitted, I know this forum post was posted 2 hours ago. Are you sure you would benefit from updating even faster? EDIT: In any case, you could use the AUR package that points directly to the git repo.

Would the AUR let me have the current Krita and the old one installed simultaneously? My experience with repo/package models suggests it very much would not.

> Would the AUR let me have the current Krita and the old one installed simultaneously?

I doubt it.

> My experience with repo/package models suggests it very much would not.

The Nix package manager would. However, I have no idea if their packages are kept up-to-date like that.

Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by wtetzner »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #46
Fnoord wrote: post #26

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That's what Nix(OS) is for :)

Great, so I'll just go ahead and learn a new language just to install software, that's totally reasonable.

You don't really need to do that though. You can also use nix-env to install software.

Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

gambler wrote: post #76
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #47

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Code signing existed for a long time before the store arrived.

Code signing the way it's implemented in Windows was always a garbage feature that made everyone less secure and more confused. Stop gaslighting on behalf of Microsoft. They clearly are manipulating users to get them to use Windows Store. The thing is shoved in your face whenever you use Windows 10.

>Stop gaslighting on behalf of Microsoft.

It's not gaslighting to point out the error in @Complexicate's argument. If you want to convince people here then you need to get your facts straight rather than making childish statements.

Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by kps »

zepto wrote: post #60
webmobdev wrote: post #45

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They are just imitating Apple's macOS - their GateKeeper also irritates you similarly when you install stuff not available in the app store (which I specifically avoid). Nobody wants their mac to turn into an iPad / iPhone.

That’s not accurate. Gatekeeper only warns about unsigned software. It has nothing to do with whether it is in the App Store or not.

That's not accurate.

The options in System Preferences are:

    Allow apps downloaded from:
    ○ App Store
    ○ App Store and identified developers
There used to be a third option,

    ○ Anywhere
but the frog is warmer now.

Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

boogies wrote: post #78
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #71

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> All major nix-based operating systems and their distributions seem to disagree with you on that; Most programming languages included. Yes, and I still think I'm right and they are wrong. You're welcome to disagree, but I personally wouldn't hold up the distant 3rd place in desktop computing as evidence against my argument. > Oh yeah, especially mobile OSes where every app wants full access to everything or just won…

> Yes, and I still think I'm right and they are wrong. You're welcome to disagree, but I personally wouldn't hold up the distant 3rd place in desktop computing as evidence against my argument. FWIW, Windows also has a package “manager”, although it didn’t manage installed packages last I checked (despite being basically a copy-paste of WinGet IIRC). But I see no reason to hold up what AFAIK is the shrinking 3rd place…

And Linux has AppImage. However, it is the common convention that is important here and for decades Windows convention has been application installers.

> But I see no reason to hold up what AFAIK is the shrinking 3rd place in computing (behind cloud and mobile) as evidence. Servers and phones install software too.

Ok, let's look at mobile... which uses self contained applications. Huh. How about server... where things like VMs and Docker are increasingly popular because they allow self-contained services. Hell, even developers use Docker to create self-contained build environments.

Regardless, I don't think what servers do is very applicable to how desktops should work. Mobile is much more applicable because they are personal devices, like desktops, but they are still a distinct entity with different use cases.

Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by maple3142 »

hashkb wrote: post #53
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #46

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Great, so I'll just go ahead and learn a new language just to install software, that's totally reasonable.

Sounds like perhaps Mac or Windows would be a better fit for you.

In fact, I think Linux's package management is too inflexible. You always need to wait for maintainer to package it for you, and it is not as fast as upstream. To have multiple version of a same package usually require to compile yourself, use a PPA or download a package and install it. Compiling a software not always easy, and it takes times. The PPA and install a random package from Internet isn't really securer than Windows's way of software distribution IMO.

Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by Shared404 »

qayxc wrote: post #72
Shared404 wrote: post #59

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Technical reason: Microsoft's moderating is kinda garbage. I don't trust them to keep malware out of the store effectively. Edit: I trust my capability to moderate the sites I download from more than I trust Microsoft to prevent malware on the store. "Ideological BS": I don't think wanting to stop account proliferation is "ideological BS" I have a certain number of accounts, I want less. I see no reason to make more.…

> I trust my capability to moderate the sites I download from more than I trust Microsoft to prevent malware on the store. So you are implying that your personal capabilities reflect the majority of users out there? That's a bold assumption! The Windows Store is meant for a general audience, and the general audience are users that ended up with 10 rows of custom "toolbars" in their browser after a few days of using t…

> The Windows Store is meant for a general audience, and the general audience are users that ended up with 10 rows of custom "toolbars" in their browser after a few days of using the internet.

Maybe at one point, but at this point the general audience

A) Just does everything in the browser.

B) Knows enough to do things right

C) Does not yet know enough to do things right, will screw up an install, and learn from experience.

D) Will manage to repeatedly screw things up.

D is a surprisingly small group, and I'd personally rather group C screw up their stuff and learn.

> The fact that you trust your own abilities over those of Microsoft (of course without giving a concrete example to justify your mistrust) has nothing to do with millions of non-tech savvy users that would otherwise just download Krita.Totally.Not.Malware.Believe.Us.exe from webshop24.ru, because they clicked on that cute cat image that told them to...

What's to stop me from creating "K-Dev LLC" and putting "Krita+ Ultimate" on the Microsoft store, of course with my own malicious add-ins?

As far as "Without a concrete example to justify your mistrust". Yes. I do not have a concrete "I installed this from the Microsoft Store and it was malware story". That being said, Microsoft has repeatedly shown themselves to be ineffective at security. To be clear, They have a _massive_ and extremely difficult task in front of them. I just have no reason to expect it to work, and experience suggesting it won't.

Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by extraduder_ire »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #47
Complexicate wrote: post #33

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There absolutely is a reason. Microsoft's reason. Scaring users away from independent software distribution means more people will use the Windows Store.

Code signing existed for a long time before the store arrived.

You mean the "Open File - Security Warning" popup that has existed since XP?

I have never seen a regular computer user not clicking the "Run" button in less time than it takes to read anything in that window. One notable exception I can see is people who've pirated games from gog.com, and want to check that they're unmodified.

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