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Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

qayxc wrote: post #66
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't speak for others, but for me there is no need to make up my mind: 1) Installing software directly from the developer --along with being able to develop yourself-- is not only perfectly fine, it's what makes personal computing great. 2) Package management is an over-engineered and inflexible solution that creates more problems than it solves. 3) Installers aren't as bad as package managers but are still overly…

> 1) Installing software directly from the developer --along with being able to develop yourself-- is not only perfectly fine, it's what makes personal computing great. Nobody's stopping you from that, not even SmartScreen. The issue is that close to 100% of all malware is installed by users and the critique has been that Microsoft is offering neither sufficient protection nor a safe(r) alternative. SmartScreen and W…

> All major nix-based operating systems and their distributions seem to disagree with you on that; Most programming languages included.

Yes, and I still think I'm right and they are wrong. You're welcome to disagree, but I personally wouldn't hold up the distant 3rd place in desktop computing as evidence against my argument.

> Oh yeah, especially mobile OSes where every app wants full access to everything or just won't install/run.

Like I said, only mostly correct.

> Pop-ups are just as bad because now you just train users to simply ignore them.

Agreed, so don't do popups.

> There is no silver bullet here, and SmartScreen isn't some "evil gatekeeper" that just exists to thwart independent software development. It's just an imperfect tool to address security and trust issues with random software packages downloaded from the internet.

I never said otherwise. I just think we can do better than SmartScreen.

Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by qayxc »

Shared404 wrote: post #59
qayxc wrote: post #55

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> (Windows Store) is worse than (random.exe)||(wget -O some.stupid.site/something.sh | sudo bash) is worse than (Proper package manager) Why? Name a technical reason and not ideological BS, please. I've yet to hear a proper argument that isn't just "because Microsoft".

Technical reason: Microsoft's moderating is kinda garbage. I don't trust them to keep malware out of the store effectively. Edit: I trust my capability to moderate the sites I download from more than I trust Microsoft to prevent malware on the store. "Ideological BS": I don't think wanting to stop account proliferation is "ideological BS" I have a certain number of accounts, I want less. I see no reason to make more.…

> I trust my capability to moderate the sites I download from more than I trust Microsoft to prevent malware on the store.

So you are implying that your personal capabilities reflect the majority of users out there? That's a bold assumption!

The Windows Store is meant for a general audience, and the general audience are users that ended up with 10 rows of custom "toolbars" in their browser after a few days of using the internet.

The fact that you trust your own abilities over those of Microsoft (of course without giving a concrete example to justify your mistrust) has nothing to do with millions of non-tech savvy users that would otherwise just download Krita.Totally.Not.Malware.Believe.Us.exe from webshop24.ru, because they clicked on that cute cat image that told them to...

Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by _flux »

techwizard81 wrote: post #63
Shared404 wrote: post #48

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> "Installing random software from the Internet - bad! Linux good because package manager!" Yes. > Microsoft offering a "store" (most software on it is free anyway) and allowing signed installers that won't trigger warnings - also bad! Yes, but ONLY because they require you to create a Microsoft account. If you could use it without the account, then it would be fine. Edit: I also tend to trust package maintainers for…

>Yes, but ONLY because they require you to create a >Microsoft account. If you could use it without the >account, then it would be fine. You don't need an account to use the Microsoft Store, they nag you about login in, but you can click cancel and the app will still install.

Did you try to install the Windows Terminal from the store?

Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by shorts_theory »

alias_neo wrote: post #32
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #11

It's awesome that the Linux version is distributed right on the website as an AppImage next to the Windows and MacOS downloads. I very much appreciate software that doesn't require me to wait for a third party maintainer to get around to building it for every distro or require me to add a new repo to a config file somewhere just to use the latest version.

I've become a big fan of AppImages. I found a project on Github called AppImageInstaller which will create a Gnome/KDE integration shortcut for you and move the AppImage file to a "programs" directory of your choosing. I usually just "Open with AppImageInstaller" when I download them, it pops up and asks if you want to run once or integrate. When you get a new version you can right-click the old one's shortcut/icon a…

I think Plasma automatically integrates AppImages on the first time you launch one.

Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by simion314 »

Fnoord wrote: post #26
simion314 wrote: post #22

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Not if you want to run more versions side by side including betas, if you are a professional you don;t update your tools mid-project and pray it will be fine.

That's what Nix(OS) is for :)

Self contained apps like app images and .tar.gz also work most of the time.

Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by gambler »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #47
Complexicate wrote: post #33

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There absolutely is a reason. Microsoft's reason. Scaring users away from independent software distribution means more people will use the Windows Store.

Code signing existed for a long time before the store arrived.

Code signing the way it's implemented in Windows was always a garbage feature that made everyone less secure and more confused. Stop gaslighting on behalf of Microsoft. They clearly are manipulating users to get them to use Windows Store. The thing is shoved in your face whenever you use Windows 10.

Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by eitland »

_flux wrote: post #70
flohofwoe wrote: post #49

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There's nothing wrong about a malware scan on download (Chrome does this automatically too), but this scan should be smarter about detecting actual malware (it's called Smart Screen after all).

But it's basically an impossible problem to solve while not preventing running useful applications. You can only do that well until it becomes too difficult to do better.

Just because it is impossible to solve completely doesn't mean they should get off the hook for conveniently "forgetting" innocent open source packages.

Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by boogies »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #71
qayxc wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1) Installing software directly from the developer --along with being able to develop yourself-- is not only perfectly fine, it's what makes personal computing great. Nobody's stopping you from that, not even SmartScreen. The issue is that close to 100% of all malware is installed by users and the critique has been that Microsoft is offering neither sufficient protection nor a safe(r) alternative. SmartScreen and W…

> All major nix-based operating systems and their distributions seem to disagree with you on that; Most programming languages included. Yes, and I still think I'm right and they are wrong. You're welcome to disagree, but I personally wouldn't hold up the distant 3rd place in desktop computing as evidence against my argument. > Oh yeah, especially mobile OSes where every app wants full access to everything or just won…

> Yes, and I still think I'm right and they are wrong. You're welcome to disagree, but I personally wouldn't hold up the distant 3rd place in desktop computing as evidence against my argument.

FWIW, Windows also has a package “manager”, although it didn’t manage installed packages last I checked (despite being basically a copy-paste of WinGet IIRC). But I see no reason to hold up what AFAIK is the shrinking 3rd place in computing (behind cloud and mobile) as evidence. Servers and phones install software too.

Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by DylanDmitri »

dsign wrote: post #13
MarcellusDrum wrote: post #4

In this increasingly "Software as a Service" world, it's nice to have a good alternative where you actually own the software you are using. Being FOSS is just icing on the cake. Huge respect to the team behind Krita, and the KDE community as a whole.

While I share your appreciation of Krita and FOSS in general (long live Gimp and Inkscape), I have to point out that there are good commercial software that are not a total subscription rip-off (I'm looking at you Adobe). Here are some I know of and have used (bugs and limitations and everything): - The Affinity suite - Corel Painter and perhaps a few others. They do their job of paying their developers, cultivating…

Corel painter has terrible UX, to the point where I deleted it from my computer after three hours attempting to follow tutorials. On Mac, I strongly recommend Pixelmator.

Re: Krita 4.4.0

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Post by S0und »

dsign wrote: post #13
MarcellusDrum wrote: post #4

In this increasingly "Software as a Service" world, it's nice to have a good alternative where you actually own the software you are using. Being FOSS is just icing on the cake. Huge respect to the team behind Krita, and the KDE community as a whole.

While I share your appreciation of Krita and FOSS in general (long live Gimp and Inkscape), I have to point out that there are good commercial software that are not a total subscription rip-off (I'm looking at you Adobe). Here are some I know of and have used (bugs and limitations and everything): - The Affinity suite - Corel Painter and perhaps a few others. They do their job of paying their developers, cultivating…

Or just use "Photoshop" in the browser

https://www.photopea.com/

If I need any kinda simpler editing I just use this.

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