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Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by riantogo » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 10:09 PM UTC

btgeekboy wrote: post #567

riantogo wrote: post #565

I feel we need to talk about the charger. It is not included in the box. The reasoning is that we have our chargers from previous iPhones. But those white boxes all take USB-A. The included cable is USB-C. Never mind, I will just use the USB-C charger from other devices. But wait... the cable that comes in the box is USB-C male and those adapters from other devices don't take USB-C (either fixed cable, or USB-A, or n…

Seems like those who need it will just pick up some of these: https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B079LYHNSR/

That is how you dent the "premium" perception you have built over several decades. You don't want your users buying $1500 phones and then having to search the web for solutions and pick up $5 converters off Amazon. You could have easily included one in the box.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by Polylactic_acid » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 10:10 PM UTC

jdietrich wrote: post #652

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #558

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm blown away that 5.4" is "mini". I'd pay decent money for a 4" phone.

The diagonal screen measurement is meaningless because of improved screen-to-body ratios. The iPhone 12 Mini is smaller than the 4.7" iPhone 6/7/8, despite having a significantly bigger screen.

Iphones always had screens that were close to the sides which is what really matters. The chin and forehead don't matter for reachability because you never had to reach them.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by xyst » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 10:10 PM UTC

Can we talk about the hypocrisy of the recycling segment given that Apple is a known adversary of the “right to repair” bill?

All of this “net-zero” talk yet they have a system in place that makes it prohibitively expensive to repair slightly damaged devices (ie, bad battery) out of warranty. So, consumers are left to live with the problem, pay for the cost of the repair which ends up costing about 1/2 to 3/4 of a new phone, or just buy a new phone.

Of course, people could go to a third party repair facility, but Apple doesn’t provide these businesses with the replacement parts and software to fix their phones. In one case, the display hardware identifier is tied to the “True Tone” feature and changing the display will result in this feature not working. In another case, the TouchID is hardcoded to the device and can only be reset by Apple techs, otherwise the Touch ID feature no longer works.

I like Apple products in general, but this is one of the few cases where Apple can do better.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by madeofpalk » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 10:12 PM UTC

hk__2 wrote: post #595

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #558

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm blown away that 5.4" is "mini". I'd pay decent money for a 4" phone.

> I'd pay decent money for a 4" phone. I have a 4" iPhone SE. It’s great, but the web is becoming less and less usable as designers/developpers have larger phones and forget smaller screen sizes. It’s common to have cookies/newsletter popins with a button that’s too far below the screen, and sticky menus are the hell.

Designers, developers, and users increasingly have larger devices.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by tupputuppu » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 10:15 PM UTC

xyst wrote: post #663

Can we talk about the hypocrisy of the recycling segment given that Apple is a known adversary of the “right to repair” bill? All of this “net-zero” talk yet they have a system in place that makes it prohibitively expensive to repair slightly damaged devices (ie, bad battery) out of warranty. So, consumers are left to live with the problem, pay for the cost of the repair which ends up costing about 1/2 to 3/4 of a ne…

Relatively I've understood that iPhones are still more repairable than Samsungs and other Android, based on ratings from companies that rank these (can't find a link on my phone)

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by pier25 » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 10:18 PM UTC

xyst wrote: post #663

Can we talk about the hypocrisy of the recycling segment given that Apple is a known adversary of the “right to repair” bill? All of this “net-zero” talk yet they have a system in place that makes it prohibitively expensive to repair slightly damaged devices (ie, bad battery) out of warranty. So, consumers are left to live with the problem, pay for the cost of the repair which ends up costing about 1/2 to 3/4 of a ne…

That was my thought as well.

Also let's not forget about the 100k functional devices Apple sent to recycling and wanted to remove from the second-hand market.

https://9to5mac.com/2020/10/01/apple-catches-electronics-rec...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24663718

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by madeofpalk » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 10:18 PM UTC

spoopyskelly wrote: post #541

hardwaregeek wrote: post #500

I don't know if this has been remarked upon, but I kind of appreciate the diversity in the presentation. It's not showy or contrived; Apple doesn't make a huge deal out of it, but it's nice to see a wide variety of genders and races.

There are only two genders, how wide of a variety can you have?

Well, considering the keynote cast used to be exclusively old white men...

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by Polylactic_acid » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 10:19 PM UTC

mycall wrote: post #641

illuminati1911 wrote: post #217

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The whole 5G thing is just complete bullshit. After the tech has flopped pretty much worldwide and Verizon's and AT&T's "5G REMOTE SURGERY" and "RACE TO 5G" marketing bs didn't get consumers interested, they finally decided as a last resort to pay Apple and see if that will be enough to push this technology through.

5G isn't bullshit, but it will be years before the standards are completed to do novel things, like Vehicle-To-Pedestrian (V2P) -- imagine cars sensing humans and no longer running into them.

What its marketed as is bullshit. 5G seems essential to fit more devices in packed spaces like sports stadiums. Marketers are trying to convince users that 5g is absolutely essential even if you aren't quite sure what for yet. The news post I read today listed 4g as enabling video streaming and 5g as enabling "Hyperfast gaming and augmented reality". What a load of meaningless bullshit.

I'm not going to be one of those "the eye can't even see 60fps" people but lets not pretend that 5g is going to be anything but an incremental infrastructure upgrade that won't affect people in a non congested area.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by ksk » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 10:21 PM UTC

tupputuppu wrote: post #665

xyst wrote: post #663

Can we talk about the hypocrisy of the recycling segment given that Apple is a known adversary of the “right to repair” bill? All of this “net-zero” talk yet they have a system in place that makes it prohibitively expensive to repair slightly damaged devices (ie, bad battery) out of warranty. So, consumers are left to live with the problem, pay for the cost of the repair which ends up costing about 1/2 to 3/4 of a ne…

Relatively I've understood that iPhones are still more repairable than Samsungs and other Android, based on ratings from companies that rank these (can't find a link on my phone)

Apple chokes the repair shops by banning other companies from selling them parts. Even if Apple devices are more repairable (companies find other ways to source parts, schematics), Apple is actively working against the right to repair movement.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by Polylactic_acid » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 10:22 PM UTC

tupputuppu wrote: post #665

xyst wrote: post #663

Can we talk about the hypocrisy of the recycling segment given that Apple is a known adversary of the “right to repair” bill? All of this “net-zero” talk yet they have a system in place that makes it prohibitively expensive to repair slightly damaged devices (ie, bad battery) out of warranty. So, consumers are left to live with the problem, pay for the cost of the repair which ends up costing about 1/2 to 3/4 of a ne…

Relatively I've understood that iPhones are still more repairable than Samsungs and other Android, based on ratings from companies that rank these (can't find a link on my phone)

Apple started out as fairly repair hostile while Androids were relatively repairable. Now most android phones are sliding more and more towards glued together bricks while iphones are mostly the same to the point where most android devices are actually harder to repair.

I took my Pixel 2 in to a store for a battery replacement and the person told me that there is a chance the screen will shatter when they remove it. If a person with all the tools and training can't reliably replace the battery something is seriously wrong. Apple might be doing a lot of things horrible but they are the only ones who actually have a store in my area and offer repairs on their own devices.