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Post by jansan »

derefr wrote: post #490
kossTKR wrote: post #85

"The iPhone mini fits in the palm of you hand" lol. It's interesting that a reasonably sized phone is now a selling point in itself. In general i like keeping my devices for as long as possible - so when i jumped from the iPhone 6 to the iPhone 10, i was surprised to learn that the phone was hard to use with one hand now, extremely slippery and way, way heavier than my iphone 6. The mini seems like a good size for me…

Phablets also fit in the palms of some people’s hands. There’s a surprisingly wide range of human variation in hand size. My larger-limbed friends used to complain about how hard it was to operate dinky candy-bar phones with their large fingers. And today, they’re perfectly happy holding and tapping on a Galaxy S20 Ultra, presuming the display has been scaled up.

Remember when they used a person with extra large hands for advertising the iPhone 1, so it looked smaller? If you consider how phone sizes have developed, it is quite funny IMO.

This may be the Ad from 2007: https://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/04/iphone.jpg

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Post by ahnick »

mullingitover wrote: post #487
ahnick wrote: post #464

I noticed that the new iphone 12 has a f/2.0 aperture telephoto lens whereas my existing iphone XS has a f/2.4 aperture telephoto lens. What are the implications of this? I always understood that for a telephoto lens you wanted the f-stop number to be higher, so that the image is clearer since the subject is at a greater distance. My gut instinct is that the iphone XS/XR lens might capture a sharper initial image, bu…

> I always understood that for a telephoto lens you wanted the f-stop number to be higher, so that the image is clearer since the subject is at a greater distance. You want the lowest f-stop number possible for telephoto, so you have more available light hitting the sensor. This allows you to get a higher shutter speed. The higher shutter speeds compensate for the exaggerated shake you get from the longer lens.

If this is the case, then can we infer that the iphone 12 pro has a slightly better telephoto lens than the iphone 12 pro max? (The max's f-stop is listed as f/2.2)

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Post by jghn »

olex wrote: post #357
read_if_gay_ wrote: post #317

Zero photos where you can actually see how thick the bezels are on the 12 Pro's product page. Guess it's safe to assume it'll be pretty disappointing considering how much they talked about thinner bezels.

Looking at specs, the 12 (and 12 Pro) has the same 6.1" screen size as the XR/11 did, but body length and width are both about 4mm smaller. So that's ~2mm less bezel all around presumably.

Where are you seeing this? On the Apple site they list the 12 pro as being 146.7mm x 71.5mm whereas the 11 Pro was 144mm x 71.4 mm. That's a larger surface area than the 11 Pro, not smaller.

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Post by sercand »

cblconfederate wrote: post #452

> iphone enables people to do more and more every day Not entirely true , e.g. they can't play fortnite or other unreal-based games Among Covid, uncertainty, and people moving, i m not sure it's the best time to present their most expensive phone, esp. now that comparable phones are half the price. 5G is exciting? hm most people use their phones in crappy wifi for years, plus it's not like apple built the 5G infrastr…

It is Epic's decision to not put the fortnite to iPhones and they can play unreal-based games like PUBG.

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Post by applehater »

djsumdog wrote: post #202

I had a friend who had every single iPhone release. She'd immediately buy the new generation when it came out. You know what I really want to see, more than any of this gitter and glam and a few features here and there? A real, actual campaign to reduce e-Waste. I way out of this bullshit, constant consumerism mess. How many more wars have to be fought, and people repressed, to continue the machine that gives us more…

I agree, it's absurdly overhyped. I mean, it's just a phone at the end of the day, no need for all this cult capitalist nonsense that goes along with some functionally minor improvements.

And with their huge wealth, Apple has such an opportunity to do some actual good in the world but, really, does fuck all.

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Post by wmeredith »

hobofan wrote: post #93
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #67

Actually, that MagSafe is really cool. The fact that you can basically stick your iPhone anywhere magnetically is awesome.

Even though "Android had it X years ago" is mostly a meme by now, I can't resist: The Nexus 5 had magnets that automatically aligned it on a Qi charging dock 7 years ago.

Eh, I mean Apple's entire business has been to do what others are doing, but 10x better.

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Post by Damogran6 »

endlessvoid94 wrote: post #269
illuminati1911 wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole 5G thing is just complete bullshit. After the tech has flopped pretty much worldwide and Verizon's and AT&T's "5G REMOTE SURGERY" and "RACE TO 5G" marketing bs didn't get consumers interested, they finally decided as a last resort to pay Apple and see if that will be enough to push this technology through.

Negative. It will be a slower rollout due to the costs and infrastructure requirements, but 5g (from Verizon at least) will be faster than your home cable connection. That's a big deal.

Outdoors. It doesn't propagate through walls very well.

I wonder if there isn't going to be an outside 5g to inside wifi bridge as a thing.

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Post by bydo »

izacus wrote: post #124
chki wrote: post #49

Very impressive technology: With those 4GB per second download speeds I can use up my entire month of data in 250 milliseconds. On a more serious note: what technology advancements will there be in the next 10-20 years that actually make 5G technology useful?

The theory here is nice, but who here on HN does actually get good unthrottled speeds on 4G now? Will carriers just magically stop throttling 5G after they sell it?

I get ~100mbps at home over LTE, which is the same as my cable connection.

Edit: In the US.

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Post by andrewzah »

centimeter wrote: post #480
flixic wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is tearing me apart between Mini’s size and Pro Max camera.

The way I avoid stressing about this is by realizing that the iPhone camera is still way worse than a real dedicated camera with a large optical path (lens and sensor). If you care about good photos, the Pro Max won't get you that far in the grand scheme of things.

The best camera is the one you have on you.

I almost always have my phone, whereas I am not carrying (lugging) my dslr or even my mirrorless around. No thanks.

Unless you are printing these photos, the iphone's cameras are more than adequate for posting online.

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