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Excess All-Cause Mortality in the US and 18 Comparison Countries

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Re: Excess All-Cause Mortality in the US and 18 Comparison Countries

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Post by m0zg »

tatersolid wrote: post #79
m0zg wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is plainly wrong. At a minimum, this is not "plainly" wrong: there's no vaccine against any other coronavirus, and vaccine against the flu (next most fatal thing on the table) is not great. Also, a vaccine does not prevent _infection_. It merely gives your body antibodies to deal with it when you get it. Sometimes those antibodies work, sometimes they do not. The initial estimates for C19 vaccines seem to put…

> The initial estimates for C19 vaccines seem to put it at 50% effectiveness. Even at 50% effectiveness, a vaccine would drive R(t) well below 1.0 and end the pandemic fairly quickly. https://rt.live

You're assuming everyone takes it. That's also not going to happen.

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Post by gnusty_gnurc »

evgen wrote: post #88
gnusty_gnurc wrote: post #77

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China did originate the virus as far as anyone can tell, they were not forthright with evidence, didn’t shut down travel globally and they seemed to push malign influence through the WHO. It’s not hard to see they have lots of blame and that has nothing to do with the US administration.

The virus originated in China, but China did not 'originate the virus.' Please do not make unfounded speculation regarding the causality in this event. China has not been completely forthright about the early stages of the covid's spread and they engaged in tactics similar to, but not quite as bad, as what the current US administration and some states have done to try to hide the scope of the disease within their jur…

Insofar as other countries are blamed for failing to “contain” the virus, yes, China did originate it. They had knowledge of it being airborne, etc. and there’s ample evidence that information was scrubbed and suppressed as it typically happens in authoritarian regimes where disasters undermine the charade of omnipotence and excellence.

Re: Excess All-Cause Mortality in the US and 18 Comparison Countries

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Post by 0xy »

evgen wrote: post #74
0xy wrote: post #72

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There's evidence that deliveries of urns to cemeteries was substantially higher than reported death counts [1], as well as gigantic drops in active subscriber counts in China's telecom providers [2]. I also vehemently disagree "the evidence would be clearly visible". History is littered with genocides on a massive scale that were successfully covered up. We still don't know exactly how many people died in the Holocau…

A single claim about a delivery of urns but nothing reported after about those urns being used. They could easily have been ordered in anticipation of things going pear-shaped and then re-sold when the death rate remained stable. As for the telcom subscriber number, the very article itself posits a more rational expanation -- migrants who would normally have a second cell plan for their current work city not getting…

Actually, I provided multiple sources and you provided no counter sources beyond conjecture (like your claim that news articles become false after 6 months). You still haven't addressed the evidence backed by US intelligence, unless you're calling them into question.

Re: Excess All-Cause Mortality in the US and 18 Comparison Countries

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Post by evgen »

0xy wrote: post #93
evgen wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A single claim about a delivery of urns but nothing reported after about those urns being used. They could easily have been ordered in anticipation of things going pear-shaped and then re-sold when the death rate remained stable. As for the telcom subscriber number, the very article itself posits a more rational expanation -- migrants who would normally have a second cell plan for their current work city not getting…

Actually, I provided multiple sources and you provided no counter sources beyond conjecture (like your claim that news articles become false after 6 months). You still haven't addressed the evidence backed by US intelligence, unless you're calling them into question.

You provided two small pieces of data that are each not even strong indicators of your claim let alone conclusive evidence and expect us to pat you on the head and pretend that you delivered some sort of courtroom fait accompli? I guess people are right, the standards here have dropped significantly over the past few years.

The evidence 'backed by US intelligence'? WTF are you talking about? Did you not even read the articles you provided as your 'evidence'? None of them reference US intelligence sources. One is a trade rag describing a single data point without context and the other is a mid-level conservative paper that used random twitter pull quotes to tart up a minor story being passed around the wire services.

Truly weak sauce.

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