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Post by Nextgrid »

endlessvoid94 wrote: post #269
illuminati1911 wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole 5G thing is just complete bullshit. After the tech has flopped pretty much worldwide and Verizon's and AT&T's "5G REMOTE SURGERY" and "RACE TO 5G" marketing bs didn't get consumers interested, they finally decided as a last resort to pay Apple and see if that will be enough to push this technology through.

Negative. It will be a slower rollout due to the costs and infrastructure requirements, but 5g (from Verizon at least) will be faster than your home cable connection. That's a big deal.

LTE already allows 150Mbps symmetrical on an iPhone 8 (real-world speed test in London), and probably more on the newer phones.

The problem with mobile data has never been the raw speed - that is already fast enough. The problem was always how it's being sold (whether data caps, the overall - terrible - customer experience and the BS the industry is constantly pulling like AT&T sharing data for marketing purposes), and switching to a different technology won't magically change that.

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Post by clarkmoody »

whoisburbansky wrote: post #98

The optical stabilization by moving the sensor looks pretty incredible, it's kind of nuts that it's even possible to do that.

It's been available in camera lenses and sensors for decades[0]. That doesn't diminish the cool factor, but Apple didn't invent it, by a long shot.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_stabilization#Optical_im...

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Post by actuator »

abhiminator wrote: post #310

>Across the iPhone family, we’re removing the power adapter and EarPods that often go unused, but including the fast-charging USB‑C to Lightning cable that most people need. That shrinks packaging, and more boxes per shipment means fewer shipments overall. We’re also transitioning our manufacturing partners to renewable energy. Altogether, this eliminates over 2 million metric tons of carbon emissions annually. Looks…

I sure hope not. Unlike most people, I upgrade my phone in 3-4 years, so by that time even my adaptor is worn out. I would not wish to spend more for one if I don't get any reduction in phone price.

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Post by tompazourek »

Spivak wrote: post #214
Zaheer wrote: post #177

"Across the iPhone family, we’re removing the power adapter and EarPods that often go unused, but including the fast-charging USB‑C to Lightning cable that most people need." Ouch. Do most people really not use the power adapter?

I think it's recognizing the (at least true for me) reality that I have practically an entire box of wall-to-usb power adapters.

Wall-to-USB-C?

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Post by adrr »

mrDmrTmrJ wrote: post #197
ezconnect wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They even call shipping their phone without a charger revolutionary. It's Apple.

I laughed out loud at that. Explaining the deletion of the charger, which is effectively a price raise, through the environmental angle is genius-level marketing and margin improvement. To be clear: I support the move and think Apple's environmental efforts are both sincere and meaningfully helpful. It's just the best, "aren't you happy we're raising prices!" I've ever seen :)

To be fair, the chargers are inferior compared to brands like Anker. GAN chargers are so much smaller. Apple took the easy way out instead of coming up with a decent charger.

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Post by phjesusthatguy3 »

illuminati1911 wrote: post #217
supernova87a wrote: post #152

It's the annual incremental improvement, and many will like the smaller form factor too I'm guessing. But the whole 5G hype is lost on me. Specifically, none of the carriers or handset makers are telling me how much the data will cost . Maybe I'm a little price-focused, but that determines for me whether I'm excited about it. If I'm just burning through my existing data limit faster, what's the point? What's the pric…

The whole 5G thing is just complete bullshit. After the tech has flopped pretty much worldwide and Verizon's and AT&T's "5G REMOTE SURGERY" and "RACE TO 5G" marketing bs didn't get consumers interested, they finally decided as a last resort to pay Apple and see if that will be enough to push this technology through.

It hasn't flopped; It just won't be available to the majority of people on the planet for a very long time.

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Post by brundolf »

skrtskrt wrote: post #321
brundolf wrote: post #273

Apple's putting me in a tough position here. My XS still works like new, but the Mini is basically my ideal form-factor.

Same, it looks awesome but I'm thinking I might hold out a year for a 12s Mini or whatever they will call it. Maybe 5G will be more compelling in a year.

Yeah, I couldn't really care less about 5G

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Post by forrestthewoods »

kossTKR wrote: post #85

"The iPhone mini fits in the palm of you hand" lol. It's interesting that a reasonably sized phone is now a selling point in itself. In general i like keeping my devices for as long as possible - so when i jumped from the iPhone 6 to the iPhone 10, i was surprised to learn that the phone was hard to use with one hand now, extremely slippery and way, way heavier than my iphone 6. The mini seems like a good size for me…

Apple resisted phablets for years. When they finally released their first “plus” sized phone sales were through the roof.

In absolute numbers there’s a good market for “mini” (or smaller) phones. But relatively speaking it’s a niche.

The market has spoken! But fortunately the market is literally billions of smartphone users so there’s a lot of room for variety.

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Post by caymanjim »

kossTKR wrote: post #85

"The iPhone mini fits in the palm of you hand" lol. It's interesting that a reasonably sized phone is now a selling point in itself. In general i like keeping my devices for as long as possible - so when i jumped from the iPhone 6 to the iPhone 10, i was surprised to learn that the phone was hard to use with one hand now, extremely slippery and way, way heavier than my iphone 6. The mini seems like a good size for me…

Even the iPhone 6 is too big to use one-handed, and I have giant sasquatch hands. I got one from work when they first came out, and ended up sticking with my iPhone 5. I also really dislike the protruding camera lens, and now all phones do that. The phone can't even lie flat on a surface. Bigger is not better. I use a Pixel 2 right now, and it's the perfect size for my hand. It also has a protruding lens, but with a slim cover, it's fine.
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